Demonoid is dead forever, should former members worry?

[Johnisfaster]

::::lets not make this a flame discussion about pirating.:::::

so I'm noticing that Demonoid seems to be gone forever. I'm wondering if there is any possibility that former members of demonoid can be sued by various groups like RIAA or what not as I know Demonoid did keep extensive records on what torrents you downloaded and I would assume that if someone had collected their harddrives then they have all those records ya know?

thoughts?

::::lets not make this a flame discussion about pirating.:::::

[forge]

hmmm...did you give your real address or anything?

The RIAA etc seem to be turning into hard line bastards suing anyone they can

it's ironic but what these idiots are going to end up doing is creating a new industry where no new artists sign to labels belonging to the big 4 and there is a completely new industry that they cant touch and they will totally deserve it

they're dying and they're trying to take as many with them as they can on the way down

I think people like radiohead are starting the ball rolling on an industry where we all just buy direct from the artist

I cant see artists suing P2P users - in fact if they're smart they'll understand the power of the viral marketing tool that it is

[popslut]

I cant see artists suing P2P users - in fact if they're smart they'll understand the power of the viral marketing tool that it is

Bang on.

My last album sold around 10,000 copies but I've still yet to meet anyone who bought it.

I've lost count of the people who've come up and said "Actually, I downloaded it from Kazaa/Soulseek/Limewire/whatever.." and, whilst this used to piss me off somewhat, it one day occurred to me that if four times as many people as bought it downloaded it instead, that means 50,000 people have got my record in their collection! Even if 20% of those thought it was shit and deleted it straight away that's still a lot of awareness.

Ten years ago I'd have had to pay a small fortune to pluggers and promoters to achieve that kind of spread and there is no way on earth I'd have been getting emails from people in Japan and Australia and Finland and Brasil telling me they liked my record, let alone gig offers from all corners of the planet.

P2P has impacted hugely on record sales, there is no denying that, and I'm not going to get that Porsche 911 any day soon based on my sales, but for small-budget, niche-market musicians like me the power of P2P has meant that I can make a pretty good living out of gigs in countries that I'd never have reached in the days of 7" vinyl distributed in big, heavy cardboard boxes.

Sorry to drift OT - I've no idea what Demonoid is.

[biroe]

former (Canadian) demonoid users should be just fine:

http://torrentfreak.com/canadian-police ... cy-071110/

[forge]

I cant see artists suing P2P users - in fact if they're smart they'll understand the power of the viral marketing tool that it is

Bang on.

My last album sold around 10,000 copies but I've still yet to meet anyone who bought it.

I've lost count of the people who've come up and said "Actually, I downloaded it from Kazaa/Soulseek/Limewire/whatever.." and, whilst this used to piss me off somewhat, it one day occurred to me that if four times as many people as bought it downloaded it instead, that means 50,000 people have got my record in their collection! Even if 20% of those thought it was shit and deleted it straight away that's still a lot of awareness.

Ten years ago I'd have had to pay a small fortune to pluggers and promoters to achieve that kind of spread and there is no way on earth I'd have been getting emails from people in Japan and Australia and Finland and Brasil telling me they liked my record, let alone gig offers from all corners of the planet.

P2P has impacted hugely on record sales, there is no denying that, and I'm not going to get that Porsche 911 any day soon based on my sales, but for small-budget, niche-market musicians like me the power of P2P has meant that I can make a pretty good living out of gigs in countries that I'd never have reached in the days of 7" vinyl distributed in big, heavy cardboard boxes.

Sorry to drift OT - I've no idea what Demonoid is.

it's not OT - Demonoid was a torrent site

thing is - you get to keep all of the revenue from that 10,000 - and truth be known you probably wouldnt have cleared much more than you'd get from that signed to a major

and like you said 50k have your record - and each one of those has the potential to tell someone else who will buy it

the onus really is on artists now to make damn sure NOT to sign to labels with major affiliations - for this very reason - not only are they doing artists a disservice by taking a huge chunk of cash, and by preventing the marketing of P2P, but we need to make sure the music industry is out of their reach in the future

I sure as hell dont want some greedy arsehole suing old women and 12 year olds for downloading my music (well...they wouldnt download my music - but you get my point)

[forge]

I posted this in another thread but in case you missed it - this guy sums it up really well:

http://newmusicstrategies.com/2007/11/0 ... ks-at-ted/

[downfader]

Just a point about the Radiohead album - I read an article this week that said they'd only been paid for 20% of the downloads. Thats shockingly small and says a lot about the way the "consumer" now see's music and other media.

[popslut]

...thing is - you get to keep all of the revenue from that 10,000...

50% actually.

I release through a label run by two friends whom I've known for many years. We've never signed a contract and all negotiations are completed in three line emails. They account to me when I remind them and everything works very smoothly.

I wouldn't touch a major with two bargepoles tied together, having spent 20-odd years working for various of them as a freelance producer/engineer and seeing up close just how foul and disgusting they are.

In 1998 I signed to Island records as one third of a pop act, with a me providing electronics, beats synths etc, a guitar player and an ex-catwalk model as the singer.

We signed the contract on the Tuesday, got our advance cheques on the Thursday and then me and the guitarist were told we were fired on the following Monday.

All along they were only interested in the singer, who they saw as a kind of potential Britney Spears-type pop bimbo, but who saw herself as a kind of PJ Harvey type tortured artist, and they were willing to lie and deceive AND spunk £40,000 in order to get her signature on a contract.

She ended up doing a runner to New York with a dancer and relapsed back into her smack habit from the trauma of it all.

But I digress...

There are so many reasons why, in 2007, everyone should avoid major labels like the plague and, even though I have a great relationship with the label I'm on, I can honestly see myself eventually deciding to keep all 100% of my sales revenue and marketing my own music via a website in a similar way to what Radiohead just did.

For all those who have never read it, here is everything you need to know about major label deals.

[rbmonosylabik]

For all those who have never read it, here is everything you need to know about major label deals.

Reading that made me sick in ways that 2girls1cup and the like can't. Damn.

[Patch]

<<<The Truth!>>>

Good stuff, Gents - keep it coming!

[Machinesworking]

For all those who have never read it, here is everything you need to know about major label deals.

Man, the one thing that died a little with the hardcore DIY movement in the 90's was this attitude about major labels. I'm glad Albinis diatribe against it keep popping up. Make me a little happy.

[forge]

Just a point about the Radiohead album - I read an article this week that said they'd only been paid for 20% of the downloads. Thats shockingly small and says a lot about the way the "consumer" now see's music and other media.

they've still earned alot of money and an insane amount of publicity from it

I read an article on Wired that was really good about how sales of vinyl are actually increasing and it may well become the kind of "real" copy people like to have and collect and MP3s will be just given free with it - CDs have become worthless and they are really nowhere near as nice as vinyl anyway

Radiohead are doing a box set on vinyl which they will be selling for a hefty sum

fact is there is nothing that can be done about filesharing - and there really shouldnt be - the actual figures show that the most downloaded songs are also the highest selling

people are paying more than ever to see live music though, and recorded music almost acts as a very big, effective widely distributed flyer

another factor in the 20% drop in CD sales since 2000 that often doesnt get mentioned is the fact that over 60% of CD sales since the early 90s have been of older catalogue material - the record industry has managed several times now to resell music they have already sold just by changing the medium

I just wrote an essay on all of this and it has been the most inspiring reading I've done in a long time looking into some of the facts about all this - it's amazing how much of this stuff about piracy is actually just propaganda from the greedy old control freak bastards in the majors and the RIAA etc

everyone else seems to realise we are in the most exciting times ever in music

[Homebelly]

everyone else seems to realize we are in the most exciting times ever in music

there is so much i want to quote in this thread,, so i'll just keep it to this as i would have to agree 100%,,
I also love the RW analogy,, probably the most compelling aspect of the internet,,

[forge]

everyone else seems to realize we are in the most exciting times ever in music

there is so much i want to quote in this thread,, so i'll just keep it to this as i would have to agree 100%,,
I also love the RW analogy,, probably the most compelling aspect of the internet,,

yeah - i keyed my name into Limewire once out of curiosity - I was way more stoked that I found it than pissed off - it just seemed exciting to find someone out there had my tune on their computer and it could be literally anywhere

[popslut]

yeah - i keyed my name into Limewire once out of curiosity - I was way more stoked that I found it than pissed off...

If my new album [out in 8 days kids...] isn't all over P2P within 12 hours of release I will be utterly pissed off.

Nothing tells you you're doing alright like an "official" Mycel or PsyCZ "release" complete with ASCII art .nfo file and scanned artwork.

I can just see the label manager going purple and taking a swing at my nuts for saying that, as he doesn't get a cut of my gig fees.