Logic+Ableton

tekaj · Post by **tekaj** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 6:56 pm

great discussion people.
keep it up!

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 8:07 pm

Mostly start in Live, get to a point where i have an arrangment, export as single audio tracks, import into Logic, polish the arrangement and add extra if needed,, mix and master in logic.

Live works more like a pencil and sketch pad for me, where as logic is more like a box of colored paint that i use to fill in the out lines.

ze2be · Post by **ze2be** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:28 pm

Homebelly wrote:Mostly start in Live, get to a point where i have an arrangment, export as single audio tracks, import into Logic, polish the arrangement and add extra if needed,, mix and master in logic.

Live works more like a pencil and sketch pad for me, where as logic is more like a box of colored paint that i use to fill in the out lines.

I do the "sketching" and construction planing in session and "coloring" in arrange view. Works perfect!

If you need to change something when you thought you were finished, its so eazy to flip up session, and just jam in on top of that.
Sometimes I like to play my track for a selected 2nd opinion, just to make shure before it gets relesed. If something fundamental have to go out or change its so eazy when its all done in one program. Especialy when you have all the construction parts like LEGO in the session view.

Actually in the prosess of constructing a track I try to stay in session for as long time as I possibly can before starting to arrange it. It makes arranging much smoother.

Used to do that multi sequencer thing too. Personaly im to messy to handle it, and frankly Live is so godam comfortable, dont need anything else. Couldnt do it without 3rd party plugs though, if your thinking effects, synths, eqs etc. I use the native samplers, and some of the effects.

tekaj · Post by **tekaj** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 9:29 pm

does it all depend on styles of music you make?

if you start adding vocals, live guitar etc, do you feel that Ableton needs the extra help with Logic?

As opposed to pure ''electronic'' music, can you can get away with using Ableton as your only major tool?

I'm asking all these questions because i'm at a point where I THINK Ableton can do pretty much what I need it to do....but I hear more and more prodicers in the techno and house genres saying they use Ableton and Logic. What are they seeing that i don't see?
I will eventually incorporate some live instruments in my tracks so that is the point where I started thinking about Logic.

By the way, thanks for keeping this thread as intelligent as possible. Good work.

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:17 pm

I don't want to seem like i'm laboring the point here,,
In my work paradigm i see live as a musicale instrument more so than i see it as a sequencer/DAW,, it's way more intuitive to me on that level as in the session view you are not locked to a stringent lineal time line defined work flow.
Lives arrange view can also get the job done, and it works great as a simple hack and drag multi track editing tool, but that aspect starts to show it's weaknesses if you want to get down and get dirty with some precise surgical type audio or automation editing.
Thats not to say Live is weak in this regard,, just that Logic is slightly better suited to this aspect of production than live.
I've been at this DAW lark for quite a few years now,, at least since PT5.0,, and using tape based systems before that, and so i'm more locked into that way of working,,
This is a big part of the reason i love using Live along side Logic, as live offers a brilliant alternative to the more traditional "start at the beginning, finish at the end" work flow that more traditional DAW's offer and so can open other creative door ways, it becomes another improvisational tool along side my keyboard or guitar,, i can work like this in logic,, but it requires lassoing and moving whole sets of regions,, building sections into folders,, or creating copies of songs and having them all open at the same time,,
Live, on the other hand, allows you to create a new scene and start shifting stuff around while the transport is still running,, brilliant!! More like yelling at the drummer while every one else continues jamming.

Logic also runs real lean on OS X,, much better than live once you start adding processing and editing all over the place,,

4ace · Post by **4ace** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:37 pm

Homebelly wrote: Logic also runs real lean on OS X,, much better than live once you start adding processing and editing all over the place,,

This being the ONLY reason i'm wanting Logic.
High track count,Lots of edit's,are Killing me in Live.
I've got DP 5 and i simply don't like the feel,it's not smooth in the least....

nylarch · Post by **nylarch** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 10:39 pm

Just got Logic and the tipping point for me was the library and instruments. I don't have tons of VST's or samples and it was a great way to get almost anything I would need. I think with Reason and Live there's a lot of extra $$ to be spent if you want to broaden your sound palette - particularly all of the new instruments that cost extra, new libraries that cost extra, etc.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:22 pm

Interesting read, shows how we all use our software to best suit our needs.

I record rock music and electronic. Live is better for composing and arranging in both genres, but I agree that if you need to crossfade audio or need to have multiple takes on one lane or multiple automation lanes (now addressed in L7) that you might export audio from live or rewire and finish up in Cubase (or Logic in this example).

When I first started with Live, I probably did this 7 or 8 time out of 10 but now it's more like 2 times out of 10 and I just use Live.

Live has revolutionized my world, make me way more productive, I used to take 7-8 months to record enough good tracks for an album in Cubase's linear world, I recently finished a hybrid electronica/rock album with 13 tracks in 4 months using Live and 11 of those tracks were mixed in Live. And I work full time !! Live just freaking rocks for me and L7 is a must have update, drum racks, the new compressor, multiple automation lanes, the spectogram and much more.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sun Nov 25, 2007 11:24 pm

I use both. I can't say I have a method, but lately I'm trying to get things as sorted as possible in Live before thinking about Logic, and the other way around with songs that start in Logic. Both have strong points for composition, and unfortunately neither in my opinion, is capable of fully replacing the other.
I'm hoping to use Kore 2 and GURU to basically import raw MIDI tracks instead of audio in the future. In case a song needs a new key or rhythm pattern with the same instruments, but beyond that it's really not that difficult.

onebluesphere · Post by **onebluesphere** » Mon Nov 26, 2007 12:21 am

Sorry about the rookie question, but how do you guys move projects from Live to Logic? As a whole? as audio? as audio an midi?.
Everything I have read here is very interesting but I still have this question, because, if you move it as audio then you don't have as much chance to edit (if you would need to) in Logic as in midi.
I think!