PKLR - PadKontrol -> MLR

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 2:50 pm

nobbystylus wrote:
mike@TrackTeam Audio wrote:
nobbystylus wrote: Is Native mode something you have to hack/install or is it built it ? I've spotted that people are selling applications to enable these features.
Nothing need to be installed, except the stock driver from korg ( if your OS doesnt provide a driver for you. To tap into native mode you just have to send the right SYSEX strings to the PK, K49, or microKontrol . When In native mode, the PK is highly customizable. You just have to tell it what you want it to do using sysex.

Im using Max to control the PK in native mode, so, For instance, say i want to make a toggle on pad 1-

you hit pad 1, this will send a sysex string out of the pk to max. Once max receives this string i'll tell Max to do two things-
1. have it convert that string to a CC message with a value of 127 and send it to Live, Live then turns an effect on
2. send a sysex string to the PK telling it to light up pad 1

so now an effect in Live is on and Pad 1 on the Pk is lit up...

when i hit the pad 1 again, pad 1 again sends out the same sysex string. when max receives the string it:
1. converts that string to a CC message with a value of 0 and send it to Live, Live then turns that effect off
2. send a sysex string to the PK telling it to turn the light off of pad 1.

now the light on pad 1 is off.

theres a bit more programming involved, but thats the basic idea of the messages sent and received by the PK...

Its really not bad once you get the hang of it...

Thanks alot for explaining. I'm waiting on an ebay auction for the padkontrol, but then i'm hoping i can spend xmas fiddling with this. Do you think that Plogue or Reaktor can send the same kinds of sysex data needed ? I don't own Max and can't justify buying it just for this.

If you do plan to publish your max patch (that i could use in MAX runtime) then i'd very much appreciate it..

Plogue or Reaktor can do the same thing. Really anything that can take in the strings and massage them and then shit them back out can be used. I prefer Plogue because I'm stoopid and it's just easier for me to use. Actually, Plogue is a pretty nice companion to my monome as well as it has a pretty nice OSC implementation. There are some nice Reaktor patches for the monome too. I'd think that anything that can work with a real monome can be hacked to work with the PK as well.

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Wed Nov 28, 2007 10:04 pm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H6j-RIpdyMw

Sequencer...

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 4:55 pm

Here is a pdf that somebody over on the korg forum has put together with regards to native mode

http://www.fileden.com/files/2006/10/1/ ... e-mode.pdf

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Sat Dec 01, 2007 11:03 pm

looks like plogue doesn't do sysex which is a shame... i'll have to look around for another option..

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 9:21 am

Reaktor doesn't do Sysex neither, but there is another of those building softs that explicitely does Sysex, problem is I can't remember the name right now (something still at version 1.x).

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 10:49 am

i think PD does Sysex, but its soooooo minimal that i literallhy don't know where to start with it...

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:03 am

What is PD and where do I find it?

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:05 am

Timur wrote:What is PD and where do I find it?

http://puredata.info/

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:06 am

Ah, thanks! Could someone through in some names on alternative to Reaktor and Max? Once I read it I will remember which of those apps had the Sysex support.

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 5:42 pm

as far as i know Bidule, Pure Data are the only (Audio) alternatives... someone could enlighten me also... its a real shame Bidule doesn't do this as i think its one of the easier apps to use..

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Dec 02, 2007 11:49 pm

Found it: Synthmaker supports Sysex since July!

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 10:15 am

Timur wrote:Found it: Synthmaker supports Sysex since July!

I think synthmaker is PC only... darn... i suppose i could give it a go in Parallells or Boot camp.

Michael Hatsis · Post by **Michael Hatsis** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 11:38 am

Synthmaker is def PC only and is $$. seems like a fair price for what it does.
I think the only patcher style options you have on OS X are pd and Max, pd's SYSEX is weird for me on OS X, kinda works? You can look into Sonic Birth, don't know if it does SYSEX, but its free...
Also free options, theres Processing, By itself, Processing doesn't know SYSEX, but you can use the javax.sound.midi package with processing, which has a SYSEX implementation, but thats actual java coding, you don't have the nice processing libs to work with.
If you don't mind dishing out the $$ in my opinion max is the best way to go. All of the MIDI/OSC based objects youll need are all in Max, so, technically you don need to buy msp. Also, max 5 looks reall good. and the work flow looks smoother than pd. If you purchase v4 now you get a free upgrade to v5.

Mike-

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 12:49 pm

Doesn't look like Sonic Birth does Sysex, but i'll keep looking.... i'd love to buy MAX MSP, but its just too expensive to justify at the moment.. Version 5 does look like it'll be a big improvement, and its tempting to become a student just for the discount..

tjwett · Post by **tjwett** » Mon Dec 03, 2007 3:14 pm

i feel like an idiot for suggesting Plogue, can't believe it doesn't have any SYSEX support at all?!? seems kinda weird. there's no way to just bring in the data as strings or whatever and parse them within Plogue in some other way?