How to use Live 7 without paying a dime....

[Able2Live8]

and legally too....

Well, all you need is a hardware sampler. No soundcard necessary...

Download a sweet Ableton Live 7 demo with ALL the extras as well. Main out into the mixer and sample away. It sounds better too.

Instead of being mad at the company for implementing better midi timing at a retardably slow pace and many other things, I have decided to meet them kinda half way. I have given ableton 400$ for V. 4 and 5 upgrade and sold it on ebay for 150$.

I do not feel guilty one bit, despite the fact that I'm a neurotic.

Big ups Ableton






Just kidding....It is a mayor pain in the ass to use Live with hardware...

Ableton, you dumb fucks....you should implement time limit on your demos...well maybe there is one, but mine is still lasting.

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

Mayor Pain?

[Able2Live8]

Mayor Pain?

No pain, no gain..

shit, I just thought of that. It rhymes as well..

[djadonis206]

did somebody say T-Pain?


"She moves her body like a cyclone!!!"

[leedsquietman]

Why the bad attitude? Ableton are just a small company in a big pool of fish. Logic just took 3 years to have an upgrade, what would you prefer?

Just sell all your software and download some cracks. May they fester and boil your harddrive and infest you with the scourge of a hundred viruses.

Ableton should lock your demo serial numbers. MIDI timing is mostly down to hardware (especially on windows, MIDI timing is well known to suck on Windows, Mac OSX implemented MIDI much better), I used Live 6 though on my windows laptop without any problems on MIDI. Some minor latency issues that we are all going to go through (keyboards and midi interfaces induce some latency before you even consider software), that can be compensated for with quantization or offsetting. I didn't notice any difference from using Cubase SX3 in all honesty.

And while you're at it, change your user name, any loyalty to Ableton in your user name is just a joke....

[Able2Live8]

What is the big deal?

I was just trying to alert Ableton that their demo thing can be hacked legally. Putting time limit on demos would be a very smart thing to do. Just trying to help.


BTW, nevermind.

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

You're very kind.

Most people know that there is no time limit. It's a selling point. The chance of you getting into the app is bigger when there's no time limit bugging you. You're more likely to actually purchase a license. And if you're not. Fine. It's marketing.

Working in demo mode and recording externally - on a sampler, HD recorder or multitrack thingy - is a pain for any serious work. If you're content with working in Live that way. Cool. Keep it up. Post some tunes when you're done.

-M

[adventurepants_]

MIDI timing is mostly down to hardware (especially on windows, MIDI timing is well known to suck on Windows, Mac OSX implemented MIDI much better), I used Live 6 though on my windows laptop without any problems on MIDI. Some minor latency issues that we are all going to go through (keyboards and midi interfaces induce some latency before you even consider software), that can be compensated for with quantization or offsetting. I didn't notice any difference from using Cubase SX3 in all honesty.

you cant be using much hardware to say that. Lives midi sync for external instruments is loose, sloppy and variable. this is well documented.

as for the OP, whats the problem? he's not doing anything illegal, and was already a previously paid up user. If hes doing one shot compositions and recording instruments to a sampler, he's hardly using a tiny fraction of the DAW features. i cant see how anyones losing out?

[Johnisfaster]

MIDI timing is mostly down to hardware (especially on windows, MIDI timing is well known to suck on Windows, Mac OSX implemented MIDI much better), I used Live 6 though on my windows laptop without any problems on MIDI. Some minor latency issues that we are all going to go through (keyboards and midi interfaces induce some latency before you even consider software), that can be compensated for with quantization or offsetting. I didn't notice any difference from using Cubase SX3 in all honesty.

you cant be using much hardware to say that. Lives midi sync for external instruments is loose, sloppy and variable. this is well documented.

as for the OP, whats the problem? he's not doing anything illegal, and was already a previously paid up user. If hes doing one shot compositions and recording instruments to a sampler, he's hardly using a tiny fraction of the DAW features. i cant see how anyones losing out?

documented where?

[adventurepants_]

do a search in bugs and problems for "midi sync".

there are definately workarounds, but its still a PITA.

[m.Lo]

Hey guys, why take a hardwaresampler? Just create a resampling track and record your stuff. Before you quit, take the rec. file out of the rec. folder. But anyway, I wouldn´t have spent the money for one of all the upgrades if I havent had the chance to try it all out extendedly. It´s just right what they do, for the business and for you. What a rhime. Take time and think it over.

[leedsquietman]

Rewire is limited to 30 minutes in the demo.

I mostly use softsynths so yes, my experience is limited on external gear although I have midied up my Roland JV1080 without too many problems. I'm not denying there weren't some timing issues before but not everyone was affected to the same extent and I believe a significant number of those with big problems would have had them using other software. The MIDI timing has supposedly been improved in L7, so why whine about L7. Ableton is a smallish company and it will take time to develop certain upgrades and improvements. If you don't like it then try something else and quit whining...

I can honestly say that Cubase SX3 was almost identical to Live 6 in performance for me and Cubase is known as having good MIDI implementation.

That was a great idea btw - bypass Live 7 by going out and spending money on a hardware sampler and then having to render everything in real time (yawn) and not having anything like the control of a full render, losing the pow-r dithering options if rendering to 16 bit and is your hardware sampler capable of importing 24 or 32 bit mixes anyway ??

The OP is not some kind of innocent, look at his profile and check out previous postings.

[Lo-Fi Massahkah]

OK. I'm troll bait. Goodbye.

[glu]

You're very kind.

Most people know that there is no time limit. It's a selling point. The chance of you getting into the app is bigger when there's no time limit bugging you. You're more likely to actually purchase a license. And if you're not. Fine. It's marketing.

-M

I agree 100%. I had all the time in the world to discover Live. Once I made a killer set, I had to let it go to work on another one, and that did it for me.

[Able2Live8]

I think Live is great if used by itself or in conjunction with other software.

but BE PREPARED of you want to use it with hardware extensively. Expect some working around and then get used to it.

And no I won't be using live any longer, even free, to bounce anything from it. I will rather limit myself to my PEAK LE 5 and some FREE soft synths. Garage band is fine for me as far as recording goes.

and no, i am not a troll as this is not very fun for me. I am just trying to expose ableton for what it is. I'm just one unsatisfied costumer.

Their business tactics, the way they care about their costumers needs, and what they base their upgrades on, is equivalent to McDonnald's. What's next? Hey buy our new version...Theremin LIVE, and rainbow skins....and yea pay up your subscription. They probably could have implemented a 64 bit engine and better midi timing at version 4. But somebody probably said, hey wait, what if we keep giving these people bullshit until version 7 so that we can make some extra cash. Surre why not?

Just check your ass and see if there is something in it. Chances are you'll find Abe at the other end.

Sad but true.