+1000000leisuremuffin wrote:yeah man, gimme commercial hip hop and rnb over trance any damn day. Ironically it's way more experimental than trance now. and has some of the same kinda content.
Umbrella kicks ass, btw
We're all FUCKED
i can't believe how many people in the world are so antitrance...
the problem is you have a bunch of morons spinning the same damn mp3s they all copied from eachother.
and also, sequencers... are available to anybody with computer...
so the guy who works at fucking mcdonalds can have ten tracks on itunes...
I don't know what the answers are... I just know, I am not to big on trance as of late... except for some very obscure stuff I find on the net. no dj would dare spin in a club...
HOW FUCKING WEIRD.
the problem is you have a bunch of morons spinning the same damn mp3s they all copied from eachother.
and also, sequencers... are available to anybody with computer...
so the guy who works at fucking mcdonalds can have ten tracks on itunes...
I don't know what the answers are... I just know, I am not to big on trance as of late... except for some very obscure stuff I find on the net. no dj would dare spin in a club...
HOW FUCKING WEIRD.
too many lasers...
Trance is just one of many wonderful genres. Like anything; there are good and bad portions to any particular niche of music. There is a lot of awful RnB and Rap out there; but to be fair there is also some excellent examples of both.
I do agree that a great deal of trance is fairly contrived and recycled; but I like to keep a ear out for the gems that move me. Like j2j said mentioned earlier, there is a lot of experimental stuff that pushes the boundries of sound. To say that any one genre is more experimental than another is being ignorant and self-limiting.
Just my subtle opinion. Take it or leave it.
Oh and the world, well, its... interesting to see what will happen.
I do agree that a great deal of trance is fairly contrived and recycled; but I like to keep a ear out for the gems that move me. Like j2j said mentioned earlier, there is a lot of experimental stuff that pushes the boundries of sound. To say that any one genre is more experimental than another is being ignorant and self-limiting.
Just my subtle opinion. Take it or leave it.
Oh and the world, well, its... interesting to see what will happen.
j2j wrote:
I think 42 is the number. Beam me up Zaphod.
Learn to play an instument! You will find your appreciation of music will change for ever! (oopps, I just made the assumption that all electronic musicians are lazy... is that true?)i can't believe how many people in the world are so antitrance...
the problem is you have a bunch of morons spinning the same damn mp3s they all copied from eachother.
and also, sequencers... are available to anybody with computer...
so the guy who works at fucking mcdonalds can have ten tracks on itunes...
I don't know what the answers are...
I think 42 is the number. Beam me up Zaphod.
Emissary wrote:The world isnt ending, only the human race, the world will last much longer than us
don´t know. the difference between the interaction possibilities of a monkey clan and modern civilization is just a universal joke. and on the timeline the end is always made in the moment of the beginning, all your random modules and avantgardistic record collections included. or the theories of reletivation. but you´ll never see the end, though you´d even live in the very last millisecond before the end. you could feel the idea of its coming, and maybe you have enough time left to get mad in front of the checksum of all impossible absurdities like the tits of xyz, the hypercomplex structure of the dirt beneath your fingernails and espsecially the enlightening realization of all of that. but the end is "god", and i don´know why it did let human have their heyda but i suppose it got to do with universal flux voltage, the big bang transformed over all time of this universal existence into the anti big bang, like a collpasing feedback. and human are just a part of that final process, like the ejaculation when creation was the whole sex thing.
so the headline is more like "you are sperm".
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gjm wrote:j2j wrote:Learn to play an instument! You will find your appreciation of music will change for ever! (oopps, I just made the assumption that all electronic musicians are lazy... is that true?)i can't believe how many people in the world are so antitrance...
the problem is you have a bunch of morons spinning the same damn mp3s they all copied from eachother.
and also, sequencers... are available to anybody with computer...
so the guy who works at fucking mcdonalds can have ten tracks on itunes...
I don't know what the answers are...
I think 42 is the number. Beam me up Zaphod.
actually....
you sound incredibly stupid here for not one, but 2 reasons....
Reason number 1. Electronica has its roots in classically trained musicians....
Reason number 2... I've been playing guitar for coming up on 12 years now....
too many lasers...
Re: We're all FUCKED
Ahdjadonis206 wrote:thefool wrote:Fuck my umbrella, that crap s"#¤"#¤%. Allright!
I think the hip hop and rnb out now is crackin'
t-pain and dj khalid are basically running things
The ones you listed there isn't the top of my hatelist. As said, i'm quite flexible according to music taste.
Exactly what its all about in that music business. BUT as said i got nothing against the style in general. For instance, I find Eminem a genious. His lyrics and the melodies/productions are according to me and infinite amount better than crap like 50Cent.americans think poverty is a culture they can dig in and check out. while they are climaxing over backing that thang up or sipping on syrup, they don't realize
No it does not. Its crap. It makes 12 year old girls go around listening to it with their crappy cellphone speakers, and singing, thinking they're cool. I know the lyrics aren't meant to be that bad but still. Also her latest stuff with "acting naughty" goes to be just as standard as everything else..Umbrella kicks ass, btw
SUCK MY UMBRELLA, Ri.
Allright. That said again, if musical taste didn't vary there wouldn't be nearly as much produced as there is. And sometimes, something good comes out of it!
Ye. However, RnB and hiphop - there is no reason why that couldn't be produced in your bedroom. The only thing i'd think of would be the mic..the problem is you have a bunch of morons spinning the same damn mp3s they all copied from eachother.
TakenJust my subtle opinion. Take it or leave it.
I suppose he just fired off another classical myth. Why don't we just say that RnB producers can nothing but hit some drums in their sequenzer, turn up the distortion and then smack up a phat bassline.Reason number 1. Electronica has its roots in classically trained musicians....
Reason number 2... I've been playing guitar for coming up on 12 years now....
But try listening to the singers acapella
especially britney who's a crap. Sounds really really fucking bad.
j2j wrote:
What I actually find interesting is a parallel I have seen in other 'art' reated areas with software. I have been into marine design and manufacturing for the last 20 years and have seen the adoption of software as the main design system for yachts over the 'old' ways we used to do it. Interesting is that the shape of the general common marine structure has changed to reflect the software tools being used. The mentality is almost like that the software leads the designer to conclusions rather than being the side kick so to speak.
My comment about learning to play an instrument was a genuine 'poke' I guess because, and I must admit from what I have heard so far, most of the electronic music I have heard seems to be based on limited musical knowledge (I mean the basic's of the musical alphabet and musical systems and structures) but relies alot on contrasting sound, multilayered to oblivion. Also the tools of the software lead the user to spend lots of time perhaps trying to find a new sound or combination of sounds and rhythm rather than work on other areas of composition. It's like, its seems to me anyway, that if you are of a generation that has little or no 'old school' musical tuition and experience and have simply slipped into the use of a program and all of the time saving and 'ready for you' systems then you are going to get music that shows this.
Look, I don't want to piss anyone off, but I wonder how many people are 'lead' by the software and therefore are limited with the results. I supose you will throw at me the culture thing, or lack of on my part for not understanding it, but from a distance, alot of what I have heard is like what I have seen in other areas, definatly the results of the electronic age, but also lacking primary musical talent.
I am more than willing to be educated (in the nicest sense people), so send me links or someting that represents the good stuff. I'll give it a go.
Stupid is a bit harsh. How about new.actually....
you sound incredibly stupid here for not one, but 2 reasons....
Reason number 1. Electronica has its roots in classically trained musicians....
Reason number 2... I've been playing guitar for coming up on 12 years now....
Good advice. I guess though after listening to so many I am kind of finding it hard to find the gems, if your know what I mean.why not listen to the music in somebodies sig before making a guess as to how lazy a musician they might be...
What I actually find interesting is a parallel I have seen in other 'art' reated areas with software. I have been into marine design and manufacturing for the last 20 years and have seen the adoption of software as the main design system for yachts over the 'old' ways we used to do it. Interesting is that the shape of the general common marine structure has changed to reflect the software tools being used. The mentality is almost like that the software leads the designer to conclusions rather than being the side kick so to speak.
My comment about learning to play an instrument was a genuine 'poke' I guess because, and I must admit from what I have heard so far, most of the electronic music I have heard seems to be based on limited musical knowledge (I mean the basic's of the musical alphabet and musical systems and structures) but relies alot on contrasting sound, multilayered to oblivion. Also the tools of the software lead the user to spend lots of time perhaps trying to find a new sound or combination of sounds and rhythm rather than work on other areas of composition. It's like, its seems to me anyway, that if you are of a generation that has little or no 'old school' musical tuition and experience and have simply slipped into the use of a program and all of the time saving and 'ready for you' systems then you are going to get music that shows this.
Look, I don't want to piss anyone off, but I wonder how many people are 'lead' by the software and therefore are limited with the results. I supose you will throw at me the culture thing, or lack of on my part for not understanding it, but from a distance, alot of what I have heard is like what I have seen in other areas, definatly the results of the electronic age, but also lacking primary musical talent.
I am more than willing to be educated (in the nicest sense people), so send me links or someting that represents the good stuff. I'll give it a go.
dude please listen to this
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0aeFfqiHg0
Some people might say that track is bad, but I am seriously affected by it when i hear it
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0aeFfqiHg0
Some people might say that track is bad, but I am seriously affected by it when i hear it
gjm wrote:I wonder how many people are 'lead' by the software and therefore are limited with the results. I
music is all about being open minded. I don't see a difference between a narrow mind on guitar, and a narrow mind with a comp sequencer.
However, listen to my music here http://www.reverbnation.com/ckat
its a 4/4, lots of multi layered sounds... and has a structure to it deeply rooted in theory and science.
its a lot more complicated than it sounds... especially because, I DID ALL the sound design. I built it. everything. Kick drum, hi hat, lead, sound fx...
its completely unique. I use Abe live 7... that should be fairly obvious.
and I own 3, of the top rated vst/au synths around...
which synths I like are unimportant...
c ya
too many lasers...
j2j wrote:
Sorry, I am not talking about being narrowminded. I am also not dissing the tools of computor music. I am simply making the point that, like alot of things in life, you can come to rely too heavily on your 'tools of the trade' and always get the same results. To many people call themselves designers because they own software that can help them design things. Design in its primary form starts in your head and then you use your tools to flesh it out. I am just suggesting that, from what I have heard, it appears that some composers are lead by the software with a predictable result.music is all about being open minded. I don't see a difference between a narrow mind on guitar, and a narrow mind with a comp sequencer.
Sorry, but that is absolutely not the case with music.
I think they are rather lead by some fixed stuff in their head.
Using Live doesn't make you a trance producer if you got hiphop in your head man.
And you're not a musician because you own the software.
Wheres evilevilevil when we need him to defend the tarnce
I think they are rather lead by some fixed stuff in their head.
Using Live doesn't make you a trance producer if you got hiphop in your head man.
And you're not a musician because you own the software.
Wheres evilevilevil when we need him to defend the tarnce