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[smartass303]

Religious debate after religious shooting.
You guys are funny!
My recomendatation:
a) wreck your guns in the first place
b) the people carrying guns need good reasons (cops)
c) make a law out of it
and you are fine!

[knotkranky]

God is sooooooo much bigger than most believers interpretations and is definitely not to be feared or even comprehended, so that takes organized religion out of it for me too. There really shouldn't even be a name for god. It just mucks it up.

One important aspect for me is that I know that I am 100% responsible for every single thing that is in my world. I create my past, my future and my reality. Everything that happens to/for/against/with me is totally made or perceived by me. And by that token every thought we have is like a prayer. It's our ideas and patterns of thought that brings/repels success and bad luck. Positive prayer or meditation tips the balance of our daily thoughts to more positive thoughts. Thanks for the post bro.

Again, don't agree, and oddly enough, it was my dear old mom that pointed this out about me dad and stepmother, they are into a guru who teaches a very personal and Buddha/self help/new age style spirituality. Well my dad and stepmom tend to be extremely anti religious, at least the most vocal people in my family about christian religious beliefs, which my mom finds pretty irritating, considering they have a religion.
Basically if you have beliefs about the afterlife god etc. then you are no different than the rest if you find fault with the other religious people out there for not sharing your outlook. It's the basic divisive nature in believing anything at all about what cannot be proven.
Though I think you and others like you aren't half as scary as the the hardcore, it's good to keep perspective on what you project outwards IMO.

I think I follow you. I use the word god very loosely to simply not have to explain what I actually lean on. Hell, I'm not all that certain myself. I don't like the word god because it is too closely aligned with the bible, which to me is a book of superstitions. We can call it Fred for all I care. Also, the fact that God has a gender is real comedy. God is completely and utterly internal. God and all others in it's ilk are man made. God is where you put god. God is not in the sky, sea, rocks etc. God is in one place and one place only; in ones head in an "in to out" projection. Not an "out to in" mystical source. And not much misrepresents and marginalizes god more than the bible. The problem most people have with this is that it puts all power and responsibility on self.

What is most relevant about religion is prayer. Prayer came long before the concept of god. The power of our own minds is compelled to prepare or set paths ,and prayer, meditation, wishful thinking, day dreams are the visualizations of where we want to be or want it to go. "Ya don't ask, ya don't get" is the one thread that flows through "all" religions. Simply wanting something enough will manifest a lot.

It's just a personal theory of mine, but I think I know what the first prayer was about. It was about food. Hunger is the oldest motivation in the world. Look at the early cave paintings of animal gods. Those animals that brought sustenance got their worship because it kept them and their neolithic families alive. That went a long time until monotheism was invented.

Anyway, I've run off the path. My point is not of religion but the power of self and thoughts. Look no further than the individual human beings that have radically changed worlds.

[Fizmarble]

I don't know where you got the idea that God is completely internal. If you are going to create gods, then we could have a nice debate on what yours has done to prove it's existence. My God changed the world He created by sending His son through a virgin woman to die for your sins because as fondly as you may think of yourself, God doesn't live inside you unless you are made holy by the blood of a sinless sacrifice. My God was murdered so that we would be made perfect through his perfection. Jesus did more by giving his life than any other man who has taken thousands or hundreds of thousands of lives. The God of the Bible is the true God, and he has proven himself through prophetic fulfillment and resurection of the dead.

[djsandman]

Is God also responsible for the extremely slow scroll speeds when I'm dragging or selecting in Arrange mode?

If He is, then I'm praying tonight for that to be fixed, since Abe's doesn't seem to be to keen on fixing it themselves.

[pixelbox]

I dated a chick whose grandmother would pray EVERYTHING, common stuff like green lights when we would drive around town. it was enough to make me want to jerk the wheel and drive headlong into oncoming traffic.

Why? I do that, pray all the time. I keep it pretty simple, 99.9% of the time my prayers simply consist of three words, "thank you god" and that's about it. I say it on a beautiful morning when I'm feeling great, and I say it on a shitty morning when I'm feeling down. I give thanks no matter what - but that's just me. I don't expect other people to understand because it's my thing, a personal thing.

Anyway, like I said, I see the irony but I don't see where it's creepy. But to each their own.

Smutek, you just impressed the hell out of me with this post. You've got serious wisdom, man. I need to do this.

[kabuki]

God is sooooooo much bigger than most believers interpretations and is definitely not to be feared or even comprehended, so that takes organized religion out of it for me too. There really shouldn't even be a name for god. It just mucks it up.

One important aspect for me is that I know that I am 100% responsible for every single thing that is in my world. I create my past, my future and my reality. Everything that happens to/for/against/with me is totally made or perceived by me. And by that token every thought we have is like a prayer. It's our ideas and patterns of thought that brings/repels success and bad luck. Positive prayer or meditation tips the balance of our daily thoughts to more positive thoughts. Thanks for the post bro.

Again, don't agree, and oddly enough, it was my dear old mom that pointed this out about me dad and stepmother, they are into a guru who teaches a very personal and Buddha/self help/new age style spirituality. Well my dad and stepmom tend to be extremely anti religious, at least the most vocal people in my family about christian religious beliefs, which my mom finds pretty irritating, considering they have a religion.
Basically if you have beliefs about the afterlife god etc. then you are no different than the rest if you find fault with the other religious people out there for not sharing your outlook. It's the basic divisive nature in believing anything at all about what cannot be proven.
Though I think you and others like you aren't half as scary as the the hardcore, it's good to keep perspective on what you project outwards IMO.

The moderate religeous are worse than the extremely religeous because they enable insane behaviour. "Oh it's OK. they are getting it wrong. They are reading it literally". If the bible/kuran/tora (yeah, I know I misspelled then. I couldn't care less) were truly the word of a god, wouldn't it want it to be followed to the letter and exactly. Would the almighty asshole that wrote it WANT you to stone your sell your daughters into slavery, kill heretics, stone people "unless you think it is icky, then you can igore the parts you don't like"?

I don't think so.

Remember: This is the same asshole that turned Lott's wife to a pilar of salt and drowned the planet except for thos animals lucky enough to live within walking distance of the arc.

Per the holy texts, the gun-toting, clinic-bombing, plane-crashing, Gaza-raiding nutjobs are the ones doing it they way "He" wants it to be done.





And to continue the topic:

The governor said that it was especially horrible that it happened in a Church. FUCK THAT GUY. He is either pandering for votes, or he believes that a holy place is no place for violence. If that is the case, where is the outrage for the bombing in Jerusalem and the retalitory missle attacks? FUCK THAT GUY.

I find it amazing how folks say that living through the shooting is some kind of fucked off miracle. Apparently the two girls in the parkinglot were less-important to "God's Plan" that them. I get so fucking SICK of these ignorant, brainwashed puppets echoing scripture like so many biblical sheep and justifying war, fear, intimidation, bigotry and hatred becasue they think there is some all-seeing entitiy that cares.

Maybe the Churches could get together and pray to make those shot dead come back to life. Although we know that won't happen because when it comes down to it, DEEP DOWN, they know there is no one listening and the prayers will go unanswered.

Fuck those idiots - the shooter, the security guard, the pastors, the parishoners, the sheep and the media.

[Tone Deft]

It's just a personal theory of mine, but I think I know what the first prayer was about. It was about food. Hunger is the oldest motivation in the world.

food, or pussy.

Is God also responsible for the extremely slow scroll speeds when I'm dragging or selecting in Arrange mode?

no, that's your lack of RAM in your computer and/or video card. visuals get the lowest priority in Live. it's the user, not the creator.




jesus christ, here we go again... I have no problem with religion as long as they keep it away from me and out of politics.

[pixelbox]

Me, I just say thanks no matter what. My best friend died of a heroin overdose 7 years ago and I'll tell you, that shit hurt. I thanked god. Not because he died, and I really can't tell you why. Maybe I thanked god that it wasn't me, I don't know -- but I do know that simple prayer gave me a great deal of comfort and helped me get through it. And that's what spirituality is really about anyway, helping us understand and/or cope with things that we don't understand or can't cope with. It can be pretty powerful, I know my simple faith has helped me through a lot, and that's all that matters for me.

You thanked God, because despite your great loss and pain, as well as your friends, you are able to take that experience and possibly help someone else who has a similar experience, even if it is just to relate to how they feel about it.

[kabuki]

I don't know where you got the idea that God is completely internal. If you are going to create gods, then we could have a nice debate on what yours has done to prove it's existence. My God changed the world He created by sending His son through a virgin woman to die for your sins because as fondly as you may think of yourself, God doesn't live inside you unless you are made holy by the blood of a sinless sacrifice. My God was murdered so that we would be made perfect through his perfection. Jesus did more by giving his life than any other man who has taken thousands or hundreds of thousands of lives. The God of the Bible is the true God, and he has proven himself through prophetic fulfillment and resurection of the dead.

Oh, yeah? Prove it.

[knotkranky]

I don't know where you got the idea that God is completely internal. If you are going to create gods, then we could have a nice debate on what yours has done to prove it's existence. My God changed the world He created by sending His son through a virgin woman to die for your sins because as fondly as you may think of yourself, God doesn't live inside you unless you are made holy by the blood of a sinless sacrifice. My God was murdered so that we would be made perfect through his perfection. Jesus did more by giving his life than any other man who has taken thousands or hundreds of thousands of lives. The God of the Bible is the true God, and he has proven himself through prophetic fulfillment and resurection of the dead.

If you believe what you say to be true, then it is.

If I believe what I say is true, then it is.

That said, I don't believe you are wrong and I don't require you to believe otherwise.



Tone. Hmm, food for thought

[Tone Deft]

Tone. Hmm, food for thought

life expectancy of early man wasn't far into the 20s, so a good chunk of their lives was spent in puberty.

thinking about it I'd almost think the first prayer may have been to a dead loved one "I'm so <scared/hungry/tired/horny> I wish you were here" (we're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl year after year... tangent, had to get that out.)


Fizmarble - do you know of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[knotkranky]

Tone. Hmm, food for thought

life expectancy of early man wasn't far into the 20s, so a good chunk of their lives was spent in puberty.

thinking about it I'd almost think the first prayer may have been to a dead loved one "I'm so <scared/hungry/tired/horny> I wish you were here" (we're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl year after year... tangent, had to get that out.)


Fizmarble - do you know of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Or maybe they prayed for some A1 and a nice coleslaw.

[Fizmarble]

Tone. Hmm, food for thought

life expectancy of early man wasn't far into the 20s, so a good chunk of their lives was spent in puberty.

thinking about it I'd almost think the first prayer may have been to a dead loved one "I'm so <scared/hungry/tired/horny> I wish you were here" (we're just two lost souls swimming in a fish bowl year after year... tangent, had to get that out.)


Fizmarble - do you know of the Flying Spaghetti Monster?

I cited proof for the things which I claim. I won't ask you to proove the existence of the Flying Spaghetti Monster, but I will propose this to you. If enough people say something doesn't exist, does that make it not exist? In one hundred years time, we may have a world that doesn't believe in the Holocaust, because they are far removed from it. In 300 years, Americans may not believe that there was ever a 9-11, will that make it so that it never was? Those are potential futures, but I guarantee that after all that time has passed, people will still be claiming Christ is Lord.

[Tone Deft]

Or maybe they prayed for some A1 and a nice coleslaw.

which of course god could provide.



my belief is that the rapture already happened. at some point in time a few plainsmen in Africa suddenly disappeared and went to heaven. the rest of us are just beating the planet into the ground until we asphyxiate ourselves and allow the Earth to recover and prosper once again.

[pixelbox]

The thing that cracks me up about this (and many other) religious forum debates are all the vehement atheists. They all seem fanatical about their beliefs even more so than the bible-thumpers they condemn. Hell, at least those bible-thumpers have a bit of hope. What do atheists have? If you were on a jet airliner that was about to crash, even if there is no God, what would be better to experience? "Oh God!" or "Oh shit!"?

Just all seems a bit hypocritical to me.