AMATO Gone Bust! CR2, Kompakt, Poker Flat, Digweeds, eq...

lola · Post by **lola** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 8:47 pm

Rosko wrote:
lola wrote:
Rosko wrote: It makes them more money to sell vinyl.
Nah, lot's op people DON'T want mp3's for listening AND for dj'ing thats why shops have vinyl in stock.
i am glad that lot's of people don't believe in that empty medium
Mp3's is a nice promotional medium, but for a have... mwah
Well if i really like a record i will buy it in vinyl as well, but beleive it or not vinyl is more profitable acording to record labels i've spoken to.

Depends what music genre your in i think and the amount of pressings, i know that it cost's much

, mastering, cutting, pressing, artwork label and sleeve,exporting costs, shipping costs overall distribution.

Daim · Post by **Daim** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 9:36 pm

"RevolverCanada 0020 is the beginning of a new era in our label's history. This EP is a digital exclusive and each and every release into the future will only be available as a digital release. To pay homage to our vinyl ancestors our graphics motif and presentation will remain the same... 3 trackers, with a-side and b-side orientation on our luvly new green pantone.

Why did we make this decision? We went 100% digital to make a statement. Vinyl is simply unnecessary, wasteful, an environmental travesty, undemocratic and straight up... simply bad karma. No more oil, no more paper, no more gasoline guzzling....rocket fuel burning transport, no more vinyl pushing totalitarians lording over the poorer, geographically impaired electronic musicians and labels of the world that can't afford to buy or make records.. Someone out there is reading this right now and has decided to hate on us, and sure, we understand, we can't win em all, but we highly encourage angry luddites to join the future. Techno isn't for technophobes. They say “MP3's kill Vinyl”. We say “Vinyl kills the Earth”. It's time for electronic music to take it's final drink of fossil fuel."

Nice read...

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:16 pm

there is enough existing records in the world to recycle to make gazillions more records without any need for oil or any damage to the world

Thats shits a gimmick

and furthermore they are probably releasing MP3s!!! talk about a travesty to the environment. I hope they are releasing high res AIFFS at at least.

Daim · Post by **Daim** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:21 pm

i didn't write that, that's why i used quotation marks.

but honestly, who needs to buy vinyl in times of digitial vinyl emulation.. purists and collectors.. if u travel a lot and want the latest music as fast as possible the digital way is simply better..

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Sun Dec 16, 2007 10:26 pm

well, that's what I like about using a laptop and Live.

It's a way to get around all those Euro borders too, without being grilled about how much money you are making 'working' as a DJ in their country.

My approach is vinyl in your own country, high res ONLY for laptop DJ sets

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:23 am

morerecords wrote:there is enough existing records in the world to recycle to make gazillions more records without any need for oil or any damage to the world

ah yes, let's just send chaps round to peoples houses, going "Bring out yer vinyl!", then melt that vinyl with more machines and fuel, mold them into new albums, package them with more plastics, paper and cardboard and then ship THEM by airplane - that would be the environmentally friendly thing to do, right? Right?

Gimmick or not, needless manufacturing and physical distribution of anything, be it junk mail or vinyl, is ludicrous.

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:53 am

the last 4 months have been a huge eye (ear) opener for me.

all the purism has got to stop... ive been going round to clubs and noticing that people are super enthusiatic and borderline ravenous about just hearing music and not giving a crap about the quality of the sound.

the biggest and most fun parties i go to have absolutely shit sound with dj's playing 128/192 mp3's which sound worse than a dogs butt with a neuman u47 stuck in there but beause the music is great, the kids love it and NOTHING dampens their spirit.

it could just be here though..

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 12:57 am

sweetjesus wrote:the last 4 months have been a huge eye (ear) opener for me.

all the purism has got to stop... ive been going round to clubs and noticing that people are [...]not giving a crap about the quality of the sound.
[...]
it could just be here though..

Not at all, dude. Just when you feel your sound quality is shite, and you go; "well, might as well have a laugh at my own expense", you look up and the party goes absolutely mental. Happened to me once, total eye opener, too.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:09 am

sweetjesus wrote:the last 4 months have been a huge eye (ear) opener for me.

all the purism has got to stop... ive been going round to clubs and noticing that people are super enthusiatic and borderline ravenous about just hearing music and not giving a crap about the quality of the sound.

the biggest and most fun parties i go to have absolutely shit sound with dj's playing 128/192 mp3's which sound worse than a dogs butt with a neuman u47 stuck in there but beause the music is great, the kids love it and NOTHING dampens their spirit.

it could just be here though..

and they are also thrilled to be in a place that isn't spinning Hip Hop.

I will say though that a lot of my old time local faves have really lost it as far as tune selection. I don't know if they are just burnt out or what but the thrill is gone.

Maybe the good shit isn't available on vinyl.

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 1:33 am

Recycling records is pretty low effort, they just throw the old vinyl in to a machine that does all the work, I've watched them do it. The recycler is pretty much just a grinder, nothing toxic and many manufacturers do it

xzusa8ky · Post by **xzusa8ky** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:28 am

i want a recycler

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:43 am

vinyl and cd's are gone people.

get over it.

coming in less than ten years are 8 core laptops, terabytes of ram, internet speeds faster than we imagined. music files wont be compressed to shit anymore. there just wont be a need...

Think about a floppy disk. Think about an mp3... thats the deal with technology. a floppy disk is so yesterday. and the mp3 is going that way fast.

Dance music labels that sign producers and what not... are for the most part in big trouble. small tiny outfits of programmers are doing quite well. like HHUK, and things of this sort. selling all there music on the net.

this is the future. take advantage of it...

peace

dodgyedgy · Post by **dodgyedgy** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:49 am

3 beat went down as well in the aftermath of amato.

The environmental costs of vinyl are pretty high in comparison to mp3, but CD also has a manufacturing base cost as well remember.

320kbs mp3 is very very hard to discriminate from wav format, and on a mono sound system which isnt built for HiFi you have no chance.

the control is also an issue for those who require it, but the number of DJs ive seen who play dance music and can scratch is tiny (scratch properly)

Vinyl will continue but only as collectors special editions, in a similar way to the hardback/paperback book situation. Subscription only vinyl seems the way forward IMO and we at www.r3tox.co.uk will be looking to this as a way to express our love of the format.

As dylan said..

the times they are around 3:15 mate.

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 9:54 am

8 core laptops, terabyte drives, but no increase in internet bandwith, hence the increase in vinyl manufacturing past couple years
CDs are out, we can all agree on that, but how to get high res files. Anyone who thinks they can;t hear hte difference between 24/192k or even 24/96k and a320kps MP3 has simply never compared the two. The Difference is as clear as night and day

j2j · Post by **j2j** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 10:23 am

morerecords wrote: but no increase in internet bandwith

and there will never be a world war 2