Program Change, where are they ?

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Fri Dec 14, 2007 9:24 pm

I've recorded some midi and sent some program changes while playing, now I want to remove the program changes, but can't find them !

I've even erased the bit of the midi clip where the program changes occur but they still happen , that's weird

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:39 pm

so no one knows where do these program change infos hide ?!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 4:50 pm

They're not hidden.
Each clip has 1 program change which can be found to the left of the notes section.
The dropboxes named Bank, Sub-Bank and Program. Set all to "none".

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:28 pm

OK thanks.
Although I'd missed that it's still not changing anything.

All the clips I had recorded had Bank and Sub Bank set to none , and the program to 5.
But just clicking on each of these clips change the program of the instrument. So I've set them all to program: none, but it's the same.

to me, the info is hidden somewhere, and I can't change that once it's recorded

nobbystylus · Post by **nobbystylus** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 7:24 pm

hoffman2k wrote:They're not hidden.
Each clip has 1 program change which can be found to the left of the notes section.
The dropboxes named Bank, Sub-Bank and Program. Set all to "none".

Is this only useful for external synths or plugins ? I've always looked at those drop boxes and thought what on earth i could use them for..

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 4:20 pm

nobbystylus wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:They're not hidden.
Each clip has 1 program change which can be found to the left of the notes section.
The dropboxes named Bank, Sub-Bank and Program. Set all to "none".
Is this only useful for external synths or plugins ? I've always looked at those drop boxes and thought what on earth i could use them for..

Yeah, it only works with external stuff. None of Abletons devices use program changes.

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Tue Dec 18, 2007 11:21 pm

Ableton, can anyone cue me on this ?

how can we remove program changes once they're recorded ?

is this a bug the fact that I can't bypass the recorded program changes by setting the box in the clip view to "none" or any number in fact ?

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 12:42 am

Aren;t those done as clip envelopes?

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:56 pm

Tarekith wrote:Aren;t those done as clip envelopes?

well they're not in the list of accessed parameters.

i imagine 90% of live users work mainly with midi and no one knows how to erase or change recorded program changes, that's weird.

Nor Ableton apparently

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Wed Dec 19, 2007 6:56 pm

Tarekith wrote:Aren;t those done as clip envelopes?

well they're not in the list of accessed parameters.

i imagine 90% of live users work mainly with midi and no one knows how to erase or change recorded program changes, that's weird.

Nor Ableton apparently

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 10:55 am

There's only 1 program change and its not an envelope. Its a dropbox.
If deleting the program changes doesn't work for you, it must be something else causing the problem.

Program changes in a clip envelope.... we wish...

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Thu Dec 20, 2007 5:35 pm

hoffman2k wrote:it must be something else causing the problem.

something else causing the problem ?

how do you mean?
the program changes that I've recorded and can't get rid of, still change programs. So it's not "something else", it's just the program changes changing the programs like they should.
The problem is they can't be edited.
If there's no way to remove or edit the program change it is a bug.

Do a simple test: record a midi clip and send some program changes, they will be recorded but you won't find them anywhere and depending on where you click on the clip, the program will change accordingly.
In principle this is normal, but not being able to remove or edit these is a BUG

But even stranger if you remove a portion of the clip (in the middle), clicking in that empty space will still change the program although there is no clip !!!

THAT is a bug !

Chris J · Post by **Chris J** » Fri Dec 21, 2007 1:07 pm

Do a simple test: record a midi clip and send some program changes, they will be recorded but you won't find them anywhere and depending on where you click on the clip, the program will change accordingly.
In principle this is normal, but not being able to remove or edit these is a BUG

But even stranger if you remove a portion of the clip (in the middle), clicking in that empty space will still change the program although there is no clip !!!

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Mar 31, 2008 12:34 pm

Which empty space?
The space of the clip that isn't there anymore? You lost me...