Incredibly Sad News - L7 Takes Too Much CPU for gig

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:28 am

Gang, I'm very sad to report that tonight's gig will not use L7. It's the same Liveset I did in October. However, this time around, there is a major issue - when I try to change the BPM, the CPU meter jumps by as much as 20-30%, which takes it to the 85-90% danger zone, causing crackles and audio dropouts. Unacceptable. So I actually had to re-create the set at the last minute in L6.

While L7 is great for production with all the new features, there are some CPU issues that really do hurt. I can't take on a $1K expense to get a new lappie ATM, so I'm sad that I'll have to produce in L7 and then render out and recreate sets in L6. This might be easier if Live allowed for opening older sets, but it has never been good about that.

Anyways, I was hoping to report how L7 did with the new gig, but I guess I won't be able to until I either have a simpler set that uses less CPU or I get a new lappie.

Anyways, wish me luck

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:31 am

Good luck, mate... you're even more a dinosaur now with your trancey bits and yer Live 6...

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:32 am

Machinate wrote:Good luck, mate... you're even more a dinosaur now with your trancey bits and yer Live 6...

aww such encouragement...I'd jump for joy, but my osteoporosis won't allow it....

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:36 am

bwahh!! I of course emphasize with you, mate. Try rebuilding a live set from memory when you have the memory of a gold fish like me. (yes, I am a gold fish)

tricil · Post by **tricil** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 2:57 am

Machinate wrote:bwahh!! I of course emphasize with you, mate. Try rebuilding a live set from memory when you have the memory of a gold fish like me. (yes, I am a gold fish)

i knew it.

v00d00ppl · Post by **v00d00ppl** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:46 am

hey,nebs...you every thought about just track freezing it ahead of time and just messing with the loops?

nowtime · Post by **nowtime** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:01 am

nebulae wrote:Gang, I'm very sad to report that tonight's gig will not use L7. It's the same Liveset I did in October. However, this time around, there is a major issue - when I try to change the BPM, the CPU meter jumps by as much as 20-30%, which takes it to the 85-90% danger zone, causing crackles and audio dropouts. Unacceptable. So I actually had to re-create the set at the last minute in L6.

While L7 is great for production with all the new features, there are some CPU issues that really do hurt. I can't take on a $1K expense to get a new lappie ATM, so I'm sad that I'll have to produce in L7 and then render out and recreate sets in L6. This might be easier if Live allowed for opening older sets, but it has never been good about that.

Anyways, I was hoping to report how L7 did with the new gig, but I guess I won't be able to until I either have a simpler set that uses less CPU or I get a new lappie.

Anyways, wish me luck

The title of this thread is a pretty strong statement IMHO. Good luck tonight. I would be quite disappointed if I were in your shoes. I have faith this situation will get worked out.

Ableton is the ultimate performer's box. Having to do too many workarounds takes alot of the fun out of it. Gotta get the CPU DOWN.

D K · Post by **D K** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:56 am

bummer, mr. nebulae-
sorry to hear that.
what are the specs of your computer?
-it could help folks to know...

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:09 am

nebulae wrote:Gang, I'm very sad to report that tonight's gig will not use L7. It's the same Liveset I did in October. However, this time around, there is a major issue - when I try to change the BPM, the CPU meter jumps by as much as 20-30%, which takes it to the 85-90% danger zone, causing crackles and audio dropouts. Unacceptable. So I actually had to re-create the set at the last minute in L6.

have fun at the gig!
Yeah, I'm trying not to jump on the L7 bandwagon too soon. In fact I'm trying hard not to be an early adopter in general. I liked the new features in L7, and Leopard looks nice, but a bunch of my plug ins are new versions (GURU, Speakerphone, Battery, Kore 2 etc.) and I don't want the extra hassle of trying to figure out whether it's my PadKontrol Driver, NI, Leopard, or Live 7 that's causing audio dropouts etc.
I already had that run in with Intel, and the Santa Rosa chips..... blah.
I'm going to wait until the last moment to update to L7, I bug tested it, but you guys are scaring me!

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:24 am

v00d00ppl wrote:hey,nebs...you every thought about just track freezing it ahead of time and just messing with the loops?

That's exactly what I'm doing, bro. If I played these songs in real time, I wouldn't get past may 2 songs.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 7:27 am

Thanks for all the encouragement. I was able to get the gig set up in L6, and it went off without a hitch. I'm bummed that L7 didn't come through, and now I will look into a C2D lappie. My current Lappie is a Centrino 1.8ghz single core, so pretty old, but still it shouldn't take 30% of the CPU to bump up the tempo by 1 bpm. That's pretty poor management of resources...

anyways, I can make do with this lappie for a bit longer, but it's clear that L7 is happier with a dual core.

Nokatus · Post by **Nokatus** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 11:15 am

nebulae wrote:My current Lappie is a Centrino 1.8ghz single core, so pretty old, but still it shouldn't take 30% of the CPU to bump up the tempo by 1 bpm. That's pretty poor management of resources...

anyways, I can make do with this lappie for a bit longer, but it's clear that L7 is happier with a dual core.

It seems there's an issue in Live 7 that causes mad CPU leaps of this magnitude, no matter what CPU you're running it on. Many people are reporting these huge spikes when doing something trivial, so I think it's going to benefit from an actual bug fix more than a new CPU

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=79870
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80840
http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80480

etc...

philipc · Post by **philipc** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:55 pm

Machinate wrote:bwahh!! I of course emphasize with you, mate. Try rebuilding a live set from memory when you have the memory of a gold fish like me. (yes, I am a gold fish)

?

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 1:56 pm

are you suggesting Live stop improving their software at the same rate the world's CPU power is improving?

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 4:45 pm

^ I don't understand this question.

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