I'm sorry chaps, but this is all redundant... the fact of the matter is that none of us are qualified to give advice on this, except to say "seek medical attention" - a good doctor will have a holistic approach anyway, and the first things you WILL talk about (esp if you yourself insist!) is of course diet and exersise. And sleep control, which is really important too, and if you're Scandinavian like me, sun-light exposure.
So; please stop listening to us, and talk to someone who has a clue ;-)
ot: personal question
Maybe they have "good doctors" where you live, but in my culture, medical doctors are about the LEAST qualified people to help you with anything besides a broken leg or emergency surgery.Machinate wrote:I'm sorry chaps, but this is all redundant... the fact of the matter is that none of us are qualified to give advice on this, except to say "seek medical attention" - a good doctor will have a holistic approach anyway, and the first things you WILL talk about (esp if you yourself insist!) is of course diet and exersise. And sleep control, which is really important too, and if you're Scandinavian like me, sun-light exposure.
So; please stop listening to us, and talk to someone who has a clue
MD's are trained by dogma schools and payed by big pharma to promote their questionable products. Unfortunately there really are no authorities on depression. Not psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors, nobody. Unless you are talking about suicidal or manic/depressive disorders. I think a big part of depression is just being so dissasociated from nature and human community. Plus the radical changes we've had in our food sources in recent decades. Modern Man Blues, man!
nowtime wrote:Maybe they have "good doctors" where you live, but in my culture, medical doctors are about the LEAST qualified people to help you with anything besides a broken leg or emergency surgery.Machinate wrote:I'm sorry chaps, but this is all redundant... the fact of the matter is that none of us are qualified to give advice on this, except to say "seek medical attention" - a good doctor will have a holistic approach anyway, and the first things you WILL talk about (esp if you yourself insist!) is of course diet and exersise. And sleep control, which is really important too, and if you're Scandinavian like me, sun-light exposure.
So; please stop listening to us, and talk to someone who has a clue
MD's are trained by dogma schools and payed by big pharma to promote their questionable products. Unfortunately there really are no authorities on depression. Not psychiatrists, psychologists, doctors, nobody. Unless you are talking about suicidal or manic/depressive disorders. I think a big part of depression is just being so dissasociated from nature and human community. Plus the radical changes we've had in our food sources in recent decades. Modern Man Blues, man!
Slow your Roll nowtime.
Stereotyping as an argument just makes you appear ignorant.
"Let you're body feel the sound! Let it cover you up and down!"
Do you have any goals? People are always happiest when they are working towards something, even more so then actually accomplishing those goals. A lot of people who either accomplished what they thought they wanted to, or more often what society told them to accomplish still aren't happy. I think it's human nature to be constantly growing and learning and when you aren't then you get depressed. I can't tell you what those goals would be for yourself but you should always be setting goals and in the process of growing and just work on them and when one is done set another. We're all depressed so man up and get yours despite yourself. Quit being your own worst enemy.
And if you are single, finding true love is not a goal. It's more of a drug habit. Keep it to goals and dreams you have under your personal control.
And if you are single, finding true love is not a goal. It's more of a drug habit. Keep it to goals and dreams you have under your personal control.
Dear Stonee. I'll have to agree with Machinate on this one. The advice given in this thread seems very redundant and speculative.
If you feel the way you describe, go see a doctor.
A lot of conditions, including non-psychiatric, benign lack of energy or initiative can explain the symptoms or the state that you are in.
That you should be suffering from pernicious anaemia or dietary deficiancy of vitamin B12 is so grabbed out of the blue. You should not take B12 without seeing a doctor. It is highly speculative that your symptoms should be caused by a hereditary condition like that.
This diagnosis is based upon simple blood samples and a clinical consultation - not on vague symptoms described on this forum.
Both doctors (incl psychiatrists) and psychologists know about the onset, symptoms and treatment of depression. If you suspect that you suffer from depression go see a professional from one of these groups. In Denmark it is often the case that you see a doctor first, then he will refer you to a psychologist if he believes that you need psychological therapy or if he is in doubt whether what you feel is based on the disease (clinical depression) or due to emotional distress.
The suspicion that mds are educated in dogmatic schools and/or paid off by the pharma industry to blindly subscribe anti-depressants is just....
Depression is a complex and incredibly big disease worldwide. I promise you that a healthcare professional will take it seriously and will probably give you the best advice there is on this matter.
For the past year or so I have been monitoring this forum almost daily and I have received great advice on countless occasions on everything from software to music and inspiration in general.
Of course it is okay to air one's worries and thought about personal issues but in this case, I think it is a bad idea to take the benevolent responses seriously. Especially the assumptions about extra protein intake and B12 vitamin. Those are wild guesses and in this case you should not extrapolate people's personal experiences to yourself.
Of course, when you see a healthcare professional (which I hope you will) it will be relevant to consider the facts about your nutrition and physical condition and so on. But in no way is it possible for anyone on this forum to give solid advice to you based on what you are telling here.
Regards and good luck.
If you feel the way you describe, go see a doctor.
A lot of conditions, including non-psychiatric, benign lack of energy or initiative can explain the symptoms or the state that you are in.
That you should be suffering from pernicious anaemia or dietary deficiancy of vitamin B12 is so grabbed out of the blue. You should not take B12 without seeing a doctor. It is highly speculative that your symptoms should be caused by a hereditary condition like that.
This diagnosis is based upon simple blood samples and a clinical consultation - not on vague symptoms described on this forum.
Both doctors (incl psychiatrists) and psychologists know about the onset, symptoms and treatment of depression. If you suspect that you suffer from depression go see a professional from one of these groups. In Denmark it is often the case that you see a doctor first, then he will refer you to a psychologist if he believes that you need psychological therapy or if he is in doubt whether what you feel is based on the disease (clinical depression) or due to emotional distress.
The suspicion that mds are educated in dogmatic schools and/or paid off by the pharma industry to blindly subscribe anti-depressants is just....
Depression is a complex and incredibly big disease worldwide. I promise you that a healthcare professional will take it seriously and will probably give you the best advice there is on this matter.
For the past year or so I have been monitoring this forum almost daily and I have received great advice on countless occasions on everything from software to music and inspiration in general.
Of course it is okay to air one's worries and thought about personal issues but in this case, I think it is a bad idea to take the benevolent responses seriously. Especially the assumptions about extra protein intake and B12 vitamin. Those are wild guesses and in this case you should not extrapolate people's personal experiences to yourself.
Of course, when you see a healthcare professional (which I hope you will) it will be relevant to consider the facts about your nutrition and physical condition and so on. But in no way is it possible for anyone on this forum to give solid advice to you based on what you are telling here.
Regards and good luck.
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knotkranky
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I'm with Machinate too.
I've tried two brands of anti-D's, and It's been mentioned, but It is well worth to look closely at food and exercise. It worked the best for me.
No sugar. Sodas are the worst. Fruit juices are no better.
Avoid wheat. Forget it all together if you can.
Keep cow dairy to a min. Eat all the goat dairy you want instead.
Eat green veggies and protein every time you eat.
Investigate promoting healthy bacteria in your stomach.
http://www.mercola.com/ is your friend.
Jog/walk 15 miles a week min. Get a sweat going for more than an hour each time.
Try all this for 4 weeks. You will feel better guaranteed.
Try http://www.emofree.com/ it works great.
best of luck.
I've tried two brands of anti-D's, and It's been mentioned, but It is well worth to look closely at food and exercise. It worked the best for me.
No sugar. Sodas are the worst. Fruit juices are no better.
Avoid wheat. Forget it all together if you can.
Keep cow dairy to a min. Eat all the goat dairy you want instead.
Eat green veggies and protein every time you eat.
Investigate promoting healthy bacteria in your stomach.
http://www.mercola.com/ is your friend.
Jog/walk 15 miles a week min. Get a sweat going for more than an hour each time.
Try all this for 4 weeks. You will feel better guaranteed.
Try http://www.emofree.com/ it works great.
best of luck.
i just want to clear one thing up, im not sad, or lacking direction or happyness in my life.
im not looking for pills to get happy.
in my opinion, that is not somthing pills can fix. if you are unhappy, there is a reason for it.
the closest i have to that is if someone gets even a little bit mad at me, or even nothing at it can throw me off for the whole day. its stupid, i know it's stupid, I wait for it to pass, its all good. as well, other emotional responses are simply not there. a guy destroyed my 300$ mp3 player, and didn't pay me back. didn't phase me in the least. my emotions are not normal, and need to be adressed as such. so I got no problems there.
my spiritual self is A+. the only thing i wish onto myself is that I had the drive to go out more, and actually preform. but who doesn't?
its the lack of focus, drive and energy that I cant figure out how to get over. as I mentioned, I am well active, and eat well. someone said about sugar. i know the horrible things sugar does to me, and i usually avoid it.
I also expect to be more stressed and draggy in winter, but it was the same this summer for me too.
so far, the plan of action is to keep a good eye on my diet, use my chin up bar a little more, try out the b 12, my eyes are a little off, so im going to see if glasses will help with fatiugue. if I don't feel any better in a month, obviously more help is needed.
I should rephrase my original question, what are people's experience with ad's? and what effects did they have on those symptoms that are bothering me most?
im trying to draw from the broadest pool of advice i can, and pick out what sounds right.
ie, AD's along with good lifestyle choices really helped me, but it took me years to realize it.
or,
AD's made me feel jittery, i pissed purple, and gained 50 lbs
thank you very much for your input so far everyone!
ps, as for doctor overprescribing AD's to people, he slapped the ad's to my little sister when she was 14. TOTALLY unessary. he is also a spokesperson for said drug company...
im not looking for pills to get happy.
in my opinion, that is not somthing pills can fix. if you are unhappy, there is a reason for it.
the closest i have to that is if someone gets even a little bit mad at me, or even nothing at it can throw me off for the whole day. its stupid, i know it's stupid, I wait for it to pass, its all good. as well, other emotional responses are simply not there. a guy destroyed my 300$ mp3 player, and didn't pay me back. didn't phase me in the least. my emotions are not normal, and need to be adressed as such. so I got no problems there.
my spiritual self is A+. the only thing i wish onto myself is that I had the drive to go out more, and actually preform. but who doesn't?
its the lack of focus, drive and energy that I cant figure out how to get over. as I mentioned, I am well active, and eat well. someone said about sugar. i know the horrible things sugar does to me, and i usually avoid it.
I also expect to be more stressed and draggy in winter, but it was the same this summer for me too.
so far, the plan of action is to keep a good eye on my diet, use my chin up bar a little more, try out the b 12, my eyes are a little off, so im going to see if glasses will help with fatiugue. if I don't feel any better in a month, obviously more help is needed.
I should rephrase my original question, what are people's experience with ad's? and what effects did they have on those symptoms that are bothering me most?
im trying to draw from the broadest pool of advice i can, and pick out what sounds right.
ie, AD's along with good lifestyle choices really helped me, but it took me years to realize it.
or,
AD's made me feel jittery, i pissed purple, and gained 50 lbs
thank you very much for your input so far everyone!
ps, as for doctor overprescribing AD's to people, he slapped the ad's to my little sister when she was 14. TOTALLY unessary. he is also a spokesperson for said drug company...
So Sartrean... The real clue is to convince yourself that anything matters.beats me wrote:Do you have any goals? People are always happiest when they are working towards something, even more so then actually accomplishing those goals. A lot of people who either accomplished what they thought they wanted to, or more often what society told them to accomplish still aren't happy. I think it's human nature to be constantly growing and learning and when you aren't then you get depressed. I can't tell you what those goals would be for yourself but you should always be setting goals and in the process of growing and just work on them and when one is done set another. We're all depressed so man up and get yours despite yourself. Quit being your own worst enemy.
And if you are single, finding true love is not a goal. It's more of a drug habit. Keep it to goals and dreams you have under your personal control.
Striving towards a goal will only work if you believe in it, or if you can extract
some sort of meaning from it. True happiness is a convenient fiction, and
I'm much more of a fan of "momentary satisfaction". If whatever you're
doing gives you pleasure - keep doing it. I think that as far as our own well
being is concerned, we have to be slightly ego-centric. If making music feels
meaningful the one day - do it. If it doesn't feel meaningful the other day -
do something else. Basically, my philosophy is: there is no greater meaning
of life. Meaning is whatever positive experience you can make out of every
single moment. Being completely self-immersed is obviously not the
solution, but a bit of narcissism is needed, if you're to avoid the blues.
The goal-oriented approach can be really destructive, actually, if you're e.g.
sitting in front of Live, doing what you love, but realising that you might
never actually get any recognition for your efforts, you might never release
that album you've been working on for ages. At times like this, the best
thing you can do is simply asking yourself: "Is this going anywhere?" Maybe
the answer is 'no', but this you can never know. That's when you need to ask
a follow-up question: "Am I having fun while getting there?"
Oh, and cutting down on the sugar doesn't hurt. I could sure need to...
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knotkranky
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The anti-d's just made me a bit doped, but for some people it's like a switch into a better space. They're lucky I guess. Reality is, we're all a bunch of hormone and chemical factories. No two brains produce the same chemical factory makeup. Not excluding events past down through generations to us, dna dispositions, conception and all our events till now. Anyway, with clean food and simple workouts you can change the physiology that produces the chemicals that energizes your well being, period. It works for every single being without fail. It's a sure thing. About 6 years ago( at 41) I was 50lbs overweight and miserable with tons of baggage. I dropped the weight, the baggage and was militant about clean eating and simple workouts. My eyes got better, my hearing got better, my outlook was confident and my dick was like granite. Now your really having fun getting there.
Great that you asked...stonee wrote:anyone here have any experience with anti depressants?
i have strong family history of it, so the chances of me having some sort of mood disorder is highly likely.
its not so much the random moods that are killing me, its the other physical effects, and they're hitting me hard in school
-I never feel like im running at 100%. i hit 90 on a good day.
-tired all the time
-trouble focusing, especially when im "in a mood"
-feeling draggy all the time
-inapropriate emotional responses to situations
-exaggerated response to rejection
- the biggest one is lack of drive. i always want to do stuff, but I feel to "heavy" to actually get up and do it, and thats whats been killing me in school the most.
the biggest question I have, is if i'm still operating fairly decently, is medicine going to help? it would be nice to have a normal level of energy and drive.
however, what are the side effects? am i going to gain weight, and feel drugged up all the time?
is it going to be worth it?
i figured i'd ask a bunch of people i don't know
thanks!
I tried Zoloft and Celexa - both made me feel in even more of brain fog that I was already, so I stopped taking them (under doctor's supervision - CRITICAL when stopping)
BTW, I have 'the gene' - I'm the only one in my immediate family NOT on anti-deps...
I had same symptoms as you, BTW. Know that you are not alone and can kick this...
So, what helped me?
First and foremost, intense sessions with a shrink. I started weekly, then bi-weekly, etc - after three years of seeing my guy, it's now a couple times a year when I need a tune-up. Really puking out to him what was going on helped a bunch and he really challenged me. This time with him was a Godsend.
Next, keeping busy. Doing something - ANYTHING - is better than moping, or in my case, I think the term was ruminating. Of course, taking that first step is the toughest for those in a funk.
A couple key books helped me along the way:
Hope and Help for Your Nerves by Claire Weekes
Feeling Good by David Burns
Changing for Good by James Prochaska
My depression was triggered by a combination of things:
- taking a new stressful job
- stopping my workouts (I had lost 140 pounds and stopped working out cold turkey - DUMB!!!)
- a couple of really rough years in our family (death, sickness, etc) finally catching up to me emotionally
I feel that if I had given exercise and therapy a shot earlier on, I might have gotten through things a lot sooner, but all things considered, I'm a very happy camper these days and back then, it was all I could do to function at home and work.
Once read somewhere that a notable shrink once said the first preferred prescription to a depressed patient should be a pair of running shoes.
Hope it helps.
-drew
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morerecords
Not to downplay the inquiry of the OP but I do think it's kind of funny and a sign of the times when somebody makes the basic statement "I'm fairly content with my life. Should I take antidepressants?" to which most doctors would say "Yes".morerecords wrote:This guy already stated he's happy and active, so why continue this dialog?
If he's happy and just feeling sluggish, he doesn't need anti deps, thoise are for people who suffer from depression
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there's a great article in the latest UTNE about this
Have an Average Day
basically the synopsis is to choose an area of your life you're trying to excel at
consider what you'd consider to be an average day with it (say just sitting down and working on beats for a hour)
now project forward
if you did nothing but just that (above - work on music for a hour) 5 days a week what would you accomplish in three months? a year? 5 years?
those average days would add up to something spectacular actually
if dude is depressed about just some particular things in his life perhaps he should read this article
I'm inspired now - for realz - I'm going to listen to gangstra rap for at least 1 hour everyday for the next 7 years
Have an Average Day
basically the synopsis is to choose an area of your life you're trying to excel at
consider what you'd consider to be an average day with it (say just sitting down and working on beats for a hour)
now project forward
if you did nothing but just that (above - work on music for a hour) 5 days a week what would you accomplish in three months? a year? 5 years?
those average days would add up to something spectacular actually
if dude is depressed about just some particular things in his life perhaps he should read this article
I'm inspired now - for realz - I'm going to listen to gangstra rap for at least 1 hour everyday for the next 7 years
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Just want to add my two cents...
Going to see a therapist for a long period of time can really help you out. One of my best friends did this over the past few years. She wasn't really depressed or anything like that. she just wanted to work with a professional to improve the parts of herself that she felt could be stronger.
It's easy for people to poo-poo this idea, but it's the simple honest truth.
She did this for two years and she said it was the best thing she ever did. I don't have any serious problems with depression or anything, but this is something I plan on doing eventually. I say keep the drugs as a last resort. Start seeing a therapist. Don't see this as a bad thing at all! They are pros who help people. Stick with it for two years. You, your co-workers, and your friends and family will be better off for it.
Going to see a therapist for a long period of time can really help you out. One of my best friends did this over the past few years. She wasn't really depressed or anything like that. she just wanted to work with a professional to improve the parts of herself that she felt could be stronger.
It's easy for people to poo-poo this idea, but it's the simple honest truth.
She did this for two years and she said it was the best thing she ever did. I don't have any serious problems with depression or anything, but this is something I plan on doing eventually. I say keep the drugs as a last resort. Start seeing a therapist. Don't see this as a bad thing at all! They are pros who help people. Stick with it for two years. You, your co-workers, and your friends and family will be better off for it.