crack ableton live 4

[forge]

Sorry for the rant, second one this week, do you think I'm due a period or something?

Funny, I started to write a similar rant myself.

It sure did occur to me that it seems a rather petty thing to be so wound up about in comparison to some of the things other human beings on this planet are having to endure.

especially when considering that the victims of the said crime, the Abletons, when on their death beds after their long and fulfilling lives, will most likely look back and feel pretty chuffed with themselves and the lives they led, and I don't think the memory of a few kids with "Warez" are going to spoil that moment for them.

Perhaps a discussion about morality requires as it's mediator an element of Perspective.


Proper BO I tell thee

[Martyn]

People don't really tend to think too much before they get something they want. They just WANT it, usually because the advertising has done such a good job of telling them over and over again just how much they neeeeeeeeed it.

I also have a mate who can't get his head around why on earth I'd pay for something when i can have it for free. His point is that if he didn't do it that way there's no way on earth he could afford it anyway so the software company didn't lose a sale at all, there would never have been one to lose. He hasn't to date made any money from his music, nor has he tried to (nor have I for that matter).

I bought into Live because I believed it was revolutionary, I long ago ditched everything else i'd tried because I didn't think it worked very well for me, especially for the asking price.

I now use Live4, EnergyXT and probably most of the freeware plugs out there. You know what? It's all just as good as most of the expensive tempting suff on the market. I instantly get all the updates when they appear, and I get to take part in an internet based community using my real name which I think is priceless.

Being honest has benefeits, letting people know about it is a duty we have to honour in the name of that honesty.

[paradiddle]

I know a LOT of people, and I mean MOST I've met making music using computers (including macs) that primarily use cracked software to do so. This is mainly because of poverty,

Don't mean to flame or anything but If they can buy computers especially macs then they are not so poor. People use warez cuz they can. Simple has that.

Anyway I tend to think that thoses who uses warez aren't necessarely lost customers. If they really enjoy the software and wanna see it grow, they will buy it and support it. Who wants to see their favorite tool discontinued?

[Martyn]

Don't mean to flame or anything but If they can buy computers especially macs then they are not so poor.

Actually a lot of them are using older P-books + 1st gen G4s that they REEEEALLY sacrificed to get because they got told they had to in order to make SERIOUS music. It's probably why they can't afford the software.

[saddam whosayin?]

ok everyone, all the mp3 you didn't pay for off your hard drives NOW

all those unauthorized remixes, mashups, and accapellas in the trash
NOW

all that vinyl you've sampled, pay up

and who does your copy of photoshop really belong to ?

Martyn said:
The word "moral" is a very contraversial one when applied to any of us living in the "global community" Anyone wearing a pair of Nikes or using computer parts made very cheaply in 3rd world countries (the list is endless) is just in denial about their lack of morals, that means myself also.

if you went to some home studio in brazil and the guys has cracks, would lecture him?

[Guest]

go make some music ya whiney little buttwipes.i bet none of you have even finished a track cause your always in the forum.

[Martyn]

go make some music ya whiney little buttwipes.i bet none of you have even finished a track cause your always in the forum.

He's got a point there unfortunately.

[saddam whosayin?]

i bet none of you have even finished a track ...

how much money you got?

cause your always in the forum

and how would you know that?
unless you had mad free time to check 'cause
yo mama's paying your bills

[Guest]

This has been said in this thread already, but...

If a "user" uses a krak version of software, that's a sale that the software company isn't getting, and therefore it's theft.

the counter arguements are twofold, and I will dispute each in turn.

1. The "user" wasn't ever going to pay regardless, hence it's not a sale, hence it's not theft.
Response: I doubt that the "user" was never going to buy a legit version... If the krak wasn't available, and the "user" either had to buy the software or go take up a different pursuit, they would probably buy the software. Look at hardware - there's no such thing as a PC krak - nobody can replicate and distribute a computer, (or a tennis racket, or a car for that matter). This shows us that people DO BUY equipment that they can barely afford. The only difference is the ease with which one can duplicate the software. I would argue that the user, if truly interested in their pursuit (making music) WOULD buy it if the krak weren't available.

2. The fact that nothing is physically stolen, then it's not theft.
Response: Because the krak is a loss of a sale (see above), the additional cost is bourne by the paying customers (if all the krak users paid up, I bet Live could be $100 cheaper) - therefore it's theft in that the paying users are being stolen from to the tune of the inflated cost of the software... It would be cheaper overall if the software could increase their sales.

By the way, I have NO unauthorized mp3s. I got 'em all from mp3.com (when it was still around), garageband.com, and other sources of FREE INDEPENDANT music distribution. I don't listen to commercial music much at all anymore, and I buy CDs when I do. I have written to the estates of dead performers & composers to get permission to use samples. I have no unauthorized samples either. Guess what? The composer's family didn't even want a penny from me...

Am I a snob? No, I just respect other dudes just like me who are trying to make music and want a slice of recognition...

L8er
Montrealbreaks

[Meffy]

You're making a rhetorical point, but I'll answer anyway...

ok everyone, all the mp3 you didn't pay for off your hard drives NOW

None.

all those unauthorized remixes, mashups, and accapellas in the trash NOW

None.

all that vinyl you've sampled, pay up

None.

and who does your copy of photoshop really belong to ?

The trend is probably clear by now, but for the record: me. :-) I'm the registered owner and the only person ever to install it. Same with all the software on all of my computers, except free stuff and software bought used, in which case license was legitimately transferred to me.

I make my living writing software. I respect others who do that, and who help to market and distribute and support software. Same with books: I won't download an illegal copy of a book either.

My policy is to render unto Caesar that which is Caesar's. He's not such a bad old chap really. :-D

Meffy

[edit] Samples! I forgot. Today I sent an email to a very famous person asking permission to use some of his sounds. If he denies permission, I won't use 'em. It's easy. The key is to forget it and move on.

[antipunklikeyou]

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[antipunklikeyou]

spiderprod i like you even if you r a punk , at least you give away some music for free

[saddam whosayin?]

I once gave some fairly rare CD's to a brazilian as a present

imagine my suprise when I went to their town a few months later and saw bootlegs of those same titles for sale at the main record shop of that town!

after calming myself down and pondering it I realized that was the only way the people of that town who would actually appreciate that music were gonna hear it

i make my living off copyrights but i'm not a fan of the curent copyright status quo

( no I'm not going to "lend" anyone my copy of live next time I'm there )

one persons opinion

[guest420]

Well, apparently you are all a bunch of rich, do-good, smart-asses who think you have some kind of moral authority over the rest of us, because we use cracked software...well did you ever download a song on kazaa or napster? I think I could argue pretty intensely that cracked software is fair use until one sells work made with it.

Aside from that, you are probably the same folks who think open source software is a form of terrorism. Wake up. If Ableton wanted to make a more intensive security system, they could. On Live 3 there was a crack that required the rewriting of source code...hardly something that the random user could do simply. So from there, I think Ableton could have worked this kink out if they wanted to.

And like Ableton is unaware of these issues. You folks are some ass kissers

[saddam whosayin?]

i make my living off copyrights but i'm not a fan of the curent copyright status quo

an alternative:

http://creativecommons.org/