anyone using service pack 3 yet?

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:17 pm

Remove/Delete the Firewire Interface and all USB ports from Hardware-Manager and restart to force Windows to set it up anew. Turn off all network ports to make sure there is no interference. Uninstall the mouse-driver. Try an older driver for your firewire port or audio-interface. Make sure energy-managment is set to desktop. Try another firewire-cable. Try an external power-plug if available. Try to reinstall the IDE port drivers, if you're using drivers from your chipset manufacturer, try replacing them with Microsoft standard drivers. Download LatencyConfig and make sure the PCI bus latencies for your PCI and graphic-card (if it's not PCIe but AGP/PCI) are set to something like 32 or 64 (also check the BIOS), graphic-card drivers tend to increase the latencies for AGP cards to 253.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:21 pm

Timur wrote:Remove/Delete the Firewire Interface and all USB ports from Hardware-Manager and restart to force Windows to set it up anew. Turn off all network ports to make sure there is no interference. Uninstall the mouse-driver. Try an older driver for your firewire port or audio-interface. Make sure energy-managment is set to desktop. Try another firewire-cable. Try an external power-plug if available. Try to reinstall the IDE port drivers, if you're using drivers from your chipset manufacturer, try replacing them with Microsoft standard drivers. Download LatencyConfig and make sure the PCI bus latencies for your PCI and graphic-card (if it's not PCIe but AGP/PCI) are set to something like 32 or 64 (also check the BIOS), graphic-card drivers tend to increase the latencies for AGP cards to 253.

thanks

god what a lot of hassle

do you know where I can get LatencyConfig? google's not bringing up an obvious link

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:23 pm

so what you say remove/delete the firewire/USB etc - what do you mean exactly?

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:39 pm

PCI Latency tool:

http://downloads.guru3d.com/download.php?det=951

And yes, I mean to delete them from hardware-manager (right-click -> remove device/hit del on keyboard). After a restart Windows will detect it anew and install drivers (or ask you to provide them), alternatively you can right-click on any item in task-manager and select "Detect new hardware" (or something like that, I use a german version). But if you remove the IDE drivers you need to restart to make sure it works, removing IDE drivers can lead to problems though, so better don't do it unless you have some free time in case of troubles.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 12:54 pm

thanks

I def. dont want to start messing with IDE etc

the latency tells me the IEEE 1394 bus host controller latency is 32

what is the SDA standard compliant SD host controller? it has the same DEV number as the IEEE 1394?

I have to say though, I'm really finding XP so much more enjoyable to use - so quick and snappy

this buzzing problem is the only problem now afaik

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:24 pm

forge wrote:what is the SDA standard compliant SD host controller? it has the same DEV number as the IEEE 1394?

According to G search this seems to be:

Texas Instruments PCI GemCore based SmartCard controller
Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
Texas Instruments Secure Digital host controller

So maybe your SD-/Flash-Card reader uses the same resources as your Firewire interface (or is connected to the same integrated chip). Try deactivating it, maybe this solves your issues.

I have to say though, I'm really finding XP so much more enjoyable to use - so quick and snappy

I cannot confirm that yet, Vista seems to be as snappy as XP on my system. Make sure to get rid of Windows-Defender and User Access Control for a start, these are constantly monitoring and possibly interrupting the user-interface and program-/disc-activity. Turn off the graphic goodies you don't need (like exploding windows, smooth scrooling, mouse-shadows). Aero glass doesn't seem to have any impact on my system btw, even if clocking down the graphic-card considerably.

Whatever, this is a XP SP3 thread and I can say that this runs good and without problems, too.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:28 pm

Timur wrote:
forge wrote:what is the SDA standard compliant SD host controller? it has the same DEV number as the IEEE 1394?
According to G search this seems to be:

Texas Instruments PCI GemCore based SmartCard controller
Texas Instruments PCIxx12 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
Texas Instruments PCIxx21 Integrated FlashMedia Controller
Texas Instruments Secure Digital host controller
So maybe your SD-/Flash-Card reader uses the same resources as your Firewire interface (or is connected to the same integrated chip). Try deactivating it, maybe this solves your issues.

I have to say though, I'm really finding XP so much more enjoyable to use - so quick and snappy
I cannot confirm that yet, Vista seems to be as snappy as XP on my system. Make sure to get rid of Windows-Defender and User Access Control for a start, these are constantly monitoring and possibly interrupting the user-interface and program-/disc-activity. Turn off the graphic goodies you don't need (like exploding windows, smooth scrooling, mouse-shadows). Aero glass doesn't seem to have any impact on my system btw, even if clocking down the graphic-card considerably.

Whatever, this is a XP SP3 thread and I can say that this runs good and without problems, too.

I just upgraded the BIOS - it seems I was on F26 an dit was up to F39

I also uninstalled the SD host thing and rebooted

it's strange - the buzzing is still happening but now it's longer between each time - about 5 minutes

now I've just disabled SD host altogether - so we'll see how this goes

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:32 pm

regarding Defender - what do you use instead (defender includes the firewall right?)

I am currently using AVG Free for viruses

[BTW - BUZZZZZZZZZZZZ - looks like disabling that SD thing didnt work]

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 1:35 pm

are there any kind of system diagnostic tools around you know of that might be able to log what happens?

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:00 pm

also - is there a way in the OS level of changing voltage of firewire - or something? I'm wondering if there might be something in built in Vista that controls it that is stopping this happening - or at very least some way of testing it?

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sun Jan 13, 2008 2:11 pm

I put up a new thread about Diagnose tools in the Tips section:

http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=82338

Dj-Grobe · Post by **Dj-Grobe** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 4:31 am

sp2 tested here, 0 trouble, all working correctly after SP3 install, not really speed boost here or soemthing related now making some test with audio card for see if all work ok or better.

KU · Post by KU » Wed Jan 16, 2008 5:05 am

i've been sittin on the fence about SP3.

I know there is a bug fix which improves performance with my particular AMD X2 system - so the motivation is there. might as well do a full backup image and go for it.

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Wed Jan 16, 2008 8:41 am

Working with SP3 on AMD X2 for several weeks now, no particular issues noticed. But my usage is a bit limited at the moment, mostly only Live + Plugins, Outlook and Opera.

arachnaut · Post by **arachnaut** » Sat Jun 07, 2008 6:11 pm

arachnaut wrote:Since I heard good things about this update in this forum I went ahead and
installed it last week, thinking it a great way to start the new year.

BIG MISTAKE!!!

My machine is finally back to normal after a week of hacking. First off, the
file is about 380 MB and takes forever to install. After the install my system
got a STOP error on boot which I could not get around even in safe mode. I
booted up a recovery disk and managed to find the uninstall executable and ran
it from a command prompt. It ran for about an hour and then aborted with an
error.

Since the machine was completely hosed now I did a restore of my backup, but I
got a lot of strangeness after that - mostly with USB.

It took a while to get those problems resolved, but now everything is OK again.

My machine is well maintained and optimized but I have a bunch of strangeness
inside which may make my system more susceptible, like non-Windows qualified
drivers (soundcard) and three Firewire drives. I have a special Firewire 800
card that required a lot of attention to get running.

Use extreme caution...

Just a followup.

Since this was posted, it was widely realized that HP made a blunder on some of their computer with AMD CPUs (they installed them with Intel Hardware support in the power manager area).

This caused many people problems when they updated to SP3 and was no doubt what I ran into back then.

I figured it was time to take the plunge again so I tried the update.

This time it worked flawlessly (at least so far).

Everything seems to be running normally at this time.