Live 6 to 7 upgrade - worth it ?

xrayfish · Post by **xrayfish** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:30 pm

fingerprince wrote:Just a quick comment on the Logic thing.
I bought Logic studio (couldnt resist the features for the price)
I played with it for a bit and it is indeed very "logical"
Then I tried to integrate Live session view which it does quite well using rewire etc.
It just destroyed my workflow.
My 2.16 c2d macbook pro seemed to run them both ok, but just wasnt "snappy" if thats the right word.
If you could use the Logic effects etc in live it would be very worth the price.
But you cant
I sold Logic studio to a friend and my productivity was suddenly restored.
Upgraded to Live suite, and even though it is a bit buggy i'm sure that will be fixed.
So my personal verdict is - you use live because it is your weapon of choice.
If thats still true, Logic will possibly drive u nuts - YMMV
As for the Live 6 - 7 debate - for me the live suite was easily worth it
but as a cheap upgrade the basic live 7 is a no brainer.
Just my 2pence worth

I totally agree.

I bought Logic 8 express out of curiosity. While I think the instruments and plug-ins sound great, what it really taught me was how much better Live is for workflow

There really is no comparison, Live particularly excels in the ease and flexibility of signal routinmg. And did you ever try to get an arpeggiator set up in Logic?

And rewire didn't do it for me either.

Pasha · Post by **Pasha** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:32 pm

I tested for weeks after the beta testing phase was finished.
I decided to go for the Live Suite download until special price was out.
I needed a sampler and now Electric and Tension are also there, not mentioning Analog..Operator... I already found very good soundfonts (free or commercial) worth to try now my Library is expanding... Puremagnetik... wow. Well done, worth the price.

- Best
- Pasha

heavensdaw · Post by **heavensdaw** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:44 pm

4 me a big YEP!

Hd

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 12:50 pm

leedsquietman wrote:(OK racks and freeze tracks were major but so are slicer, sidechaining and auto timing sigs for me)

Sidechaining wasnt new at engine level - as far as I can tell thats *just* an upgraded plugin. The audio routing support required to use a sidechain capable VST plugin is present and easy to use in version 6.

Hypomixolydian · Post by **Hypomixolydian** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:33 pm

I'm probably going to wait for the next edition of Live and skip version 7. Live 6 is fine for me and to be pefectly honest, I am using Sonar 7 more and more and love it.
I have tried the Live 7 demo and it is slightly more CPU heavy. I don't need the additional instruments as I own Lounge Lizard and Tasman 4 anyway. Tension didn't grab me and doesn't seem versatile enough, but maybe because I haven't played long enough with it.
From what I have read so far, installing version 7 interferes with Live 6, so I'll leave it (I didn't install the demo on the same PC as Live 6, luckily).

Let me also add I would only buy Live 8, if it was worth it. For me Sonar is becoming more and more attractive and suits what I do. I enjoy using Live 6 though.

musicmachine · Post by **musicmachine** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:10 pm

BC wrote:Bit of a broad question but you get my drift.

Do all the improvements make it a no brainer or, if getting by with v6, should one wait for v8 (presumably out 4th Q 2008) ?

BC

It depends what you want.For me it was.The slicer and the drum racks are a powerful combo.External Instrument makes routing external gear into live much easier to set up and record and uses less screen real estate.As does the slicer,you can have 16 tracks with fx chains on each folded down into 1.And slices can be replaced by vst instruments

Then there's the new compressor,eq,64 bit sound engine and high quality mode.I'm more than happy with Live 7,doesn't seem to like midi controllers though!I've had glitching and massive cpu spikes with two so you may want to check that with the demo and wait for a bugfix release.I usually wait until any bugs have been fixed but 7 has features i need and i think you get plenty for your $$$ so it's cost effective.I saved money on a slicer and a compressor

Ajbbklyn · Post by **Ajbbklyn** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 3:42 pm

Astral Fridge Magnet wrote:I'm probably going to wait for the next edition of Live and skip version 7. Live 6 is fine for me and to be pefectly honest, I am using Sonar 7 more and more and love it.
I have tried the Live 7 demo and it is slightly more CPU heavy. I don't need the additional instruments as I own Lounge Lizard and Tasman 4 anyway. Tension didn't grab me and doesn't seem versatile enough, but maybe because I haven't played long enough with it.
From what I have read so far, installing version 7 interferes with Live 6, so I'll leave it (I didn't install the demo on the same PC as Live 6, luckily).

Let me also add I would only buy Live 8, if it was worth it. For me Sonar is becoming more and more attractive and suits what I do. I enjoy using Live 6 though.

Installation of Live 7 does not interfere with Live 6 as long as you specify a separate folder for your v.7 Library. I had the same concern as you. I didn't want to lose any projects from 6. The only other caveat: If you open a Live 6 set in v.7, (which you can do) make sure you "Save As" using a different name. Otherwise, certain fx and presets will no longer be available should you decide to open that set in 6.

jonny72 · Post by **jonny72** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 5:40 pm

4ace wrote:
formatk wrote:an upgrade to Live 7, and getting the new logic express is a good combination.
That's what i'm thinking...Possibly The Studio version for the amount of content alone
is a GREAT DEAL!

I'd been planning to get Logic Studio, primarily as all the added content makes it such a bargain - the loop packs alone would cost more when bought separately.

But then Live 7 Studio came along and I went with that instead, plus I subscribed to PureMagnetik, bought some Covert Operator packs and will get some more soon. That gives me more than enough stuff to play with and I doubt I'll be using it all fully before Live 8 comes out.

I'll never switch from Live, adding Logic Studio is just something more to learn and whilst its good value - if you don't use it then its waste of money which can be spent better elsewhere.

LOFA · Post by **LOFA** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:18 pm

I recommend playing with the demo first. One of the decisive factors for me was the drum racks, but upon purchasing the boxed suite I am frustrated with how the material maps to my controllers. Side-chaining is nice to finally have.

dave999z · Post by **dave999z** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 8:48 pm

Khazul wrote:Oh yeh - one huge piss off - I upgraded to the Live 7 Suite only to find out that because my old Live 6 didnt come with the instrument library, then the Live 7 suite wont let me use the instruments collection in that either - FFS Ableton - thats just being silly, so now I have to buy the damn thing twice???? .. one cell out looking for the other...

Is that right? That's ridiculous. But glad I know that now... I was about to sell my EIC1 license before I upgrade to boxed Suite, because I thought EIC2 was included whether or not you owned EIC1.

Ableton really has to clear up the info on their pricing pages. And the inability to see how much the upgrade to Suite costs for anyone other than you is kind of b.s.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Sun Jan 20, 2008 10:19 pm

Sidechaining was only possible with a major ballache in Live 6 with the native plugins, it was not an easy workaround at all. I certainly couldn't be arsed to go through all of that hassle. Yes, I had PSP Mastercomp with sidechaining but it's great to have a nice compressor with sidechaining integrated in Live.

And also gating is sidechainable too, Most people before had to use expensive 3rd party plugins to have sidechaining.

Yes, once again 3rd party vsts allowed the external situation, but Cubase has had support for external hardware since SX2 in 2003.

All I can say to doubters is wait until Live 8 or try something else, No one is forcing you to upgrade to Live 7, but the upgrade seriously improved my workflow and I don't see any downside to it.

Yes, they should get their shopping cart in order, but it has been documented here several times what you can do to get a price for upgrades in the interim period. Call or e-mail them. They have gotten over the crazyness of the new release now, so you should get a quick response.

dave999z · Post by **dave999z** » Mon Jan 21, 2008 2:01 pm

dave999z wrote:
Khazul wrote:Oh yeh - one huge piss off - I upgraded to the Live 7 Suite only to find out that because my old Live 6 didnt come with the instrument library, then the Live 7 suite wont let me use the instruments collection in that either - FFS Ableton - thats just being silly, so now I have to buy the damn thing twice???? .. one cell out looking for the other...
Is that right? That's ridiculous. But glad I know that now... I was about to sell my EIC1 license before I upgrade to boxed Suite, because I thought EIC2 was included whether or not you owned EIC1.

Ableton really has to clear up the info on their pricing pages. And the inability to see how much the upgrade to Suite costs for anyone other than you is kind of b.s.

Which version of Suite did you buy? The boxed version is supposed to include EIC2, and it should not depend on whether you owned EIC1.

"The boxed versions of Ableton Live 7 and Ableton Suite include the Essential Instrument Collection 2, ready to play right out of the box. Users who purchase download versions of Ableton Live 7 and Ableton Suite can also purchase the Essential Instrument Collection 2 individually via the Ableton webshop." http://www.ableton.com/eic

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 8:41 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:I'm also asking the same question but I'm more worried about CPU hit. I mostly use Live "live" so will I get the better sound? Is it a big hit for CPU usage? I'm on a Toshiba Laptop with a dual core 2ghz laptop with 2 gig of ram and a M-Audio Firewire Solo interface.
I'll answer my own question: 7 is horrible for CPU usage. Unusable. I started up a project file that runs perfectly in 6 and I kept getting horrible spikes and their coorasponding glitches. Guess my upgrade path ends here.

I just wanted to post that what I thought was really high CPU useage turned out to be a bug. Turning off MIDI out on my Novation SL (I wasn't even using MIDI out) cured the problem totally. I imagine they'll fix that one of these days (maybe even in 7.0.2) but I can live with the way it currently works.

musicmachine · Post by **musicmachine** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:06 pm

zerocrossing wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:
zerocrossing wrote:I'm also asking the same question but I'm more worried about CPU hit. I mostly use Live "live" so will I get the better sound? Is it a big hit for CPU usage? I'm on a Toshiba Laptop with a dual core 2ghz laptop with 2 gig of ram and a M-Audio Firewire Solo interface.
I'll answer my own question: 7 is horrible for CPU usage. Unusable. I started up a project file that runs perfectly in 6 and I kept getting horrible spikes and their coorasponding glitches. Guess my upgrade path ends here.
I just wanted to post that what I thought was really high CPU useage turned out to be a bug. Turning off MIDI out on my Novation SL (I wasn't even using MIDI out) cured the problem totally. I imagine they'll fix that one of these days (maybe even in 7.0.2) but I can live with the way it currently works.

Yeah i think it's a sysex bug,happens with the pk as well.I think there's a few threads on here about it.It's listed in the beta thread anyway.I haven't had any problems with pk and the beta.I've yet to try automap though.

I'd cpu use is about the same.Sounds like you have plenty of power to run it

Casual Beats · Post by **Casual Beats** » Tue Jan 22, 2008 9:12 pm

I bought the basic upgrade just for the side chaining feature and drum racks and am really pleased with it.

Live 6 to 7 upgrade - worth it ?

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