do you remember if the lady giving birth shitted herself ?
some friends of mine don't put one of those gates at the top of their stairs, they just taught the child about the danger, and now he's used to stairs....
I know another mom who's got one of those gates up and just leaves it at that, bad parenting. kid knows nothing about stairs and if the gate fails...well, roll one d20 and see what happens.
Machines, I thought you'd be going for the akai keyboard ...did you try it out, what's your verdict ? well..besides the fact you didn't buy it
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Naw, that's not really common. Don't know where you heard that?b0unce wrote:do you remember if the lady giving birth shitted herself ?
EXACTLY, the kid with the gate will NEED restrictions, and rules, and his hand held for the rest of his life.some friends of mine don't put one of those gates at the top of their stairs, they just taught the child about the danger, and now he's used to stairs....
I know another mom who's got one of those gates up and just leaves it at that, bad parenting. kid knows nothing about stairs and if the gate fails...well, roll one d20 and see what happens.
I bought it and returned it. If it had 61 keys it would have been a hard call. The pads on the MPK49 are pretty good, but not full size, and only 12, they are however pressure sensitive which is the main thing I'll miss about it. Note repeat like on the MPC1000 etc. will respond to the pressure you apply, pretty cool.Machines, I thought you'd be going for the akai keyboard ...did you try it out, what's your verdict ? well..besides the fact you didn't buy it
The built in arp is nice, but in Live I'm pretty sure you can limit the range of the built in arp through Racks or the Scale plug in. Mine was solid as hell, but other people have said some are creaky etc.
The Remote SL LCD and integration with Live is really really cool though. Plus I really like the mod/pitch wheel.... really. Novation here in the states have a great tech support, and warrantee service as well.
When I bought the X-Station 2 years ago I missed having 61 keys, and that was probably the major factor in making the switch, but I'm glad I did. The SL is dammed close to replacing my Mackie Control! Really isn't much of a need for the Mackie Control if you buy the SL.
You seem to willingly misinterprete self-awareness with self-deception. Your propagated image of how people tick make you seem as being stuck in your own conservative views of what is to be progressive and what is conservative. You also seem to be stuck in a general anti attitude that's conservative in its own remark. ... See, we both can play that way of pushing our "contrahent" into defense. It's a good rethorical trick to gain the upper hand in an argument.b0unce wrote:I don't trust people who say 'I'm liberal & tolerant'
They're usually not.... actions speaking louder than words, and all that jazz
Images of people on forums can be deceptive. For example, you call me elitist while my two best buddies are working at a steel mill and on construction sites. We go out to rock-concerts, swearing around, drinking lots (they do) and starring at womens' boobs all the time, but there is a fine line between attitude and authenticity and between knowing how to behave according to the situation. There are no boobs around here, so why the hell should I pretend to be looking at some just to demonstrate how cool and manly I am to the kids around here?
Unfortunately you and Machinesworking fail to acknowledge two important things in my arguments.
1. I did not (mean to) so much argue against the style off certain posts, but against the implicit expression of discrespect and immaturity. It is you who always keep reducing my arguments to simple criticism on style and choice of words. Really, I don't care much about kids learning swear-words, let 'em, they'll have fun shouting them out loud at their parents' tea-parties.
But I do care about kids learning bad attitude just for the attitude, and really don't want them to be learning that behaving like an asshole as an adult is especially "cool" when its mostly just idiotic. Also I do care about kids learning to tread women with general disrespect and treating them like pure objects (eventhough I'm well aware of that we're all hormone driven and far too many of the computer-geeks lack experience with social situations that concern talking to real women), I don't want them kids to be learning that behaving like a walking dick with the social intelligence of a Neanderthal man is the norm.Last but not least I am well aware of that language and style affects out thinking, so yes, I'd really like our kids not only being exposted to trash-talk all day long (from their parents, from mass-media, from the internet), but am sure that a little delving into more sophisticated choice of words and building whole sentences will have a benevolent effect on how they learn to communicate their interests and problems.
2. Laissez-faire is not necessarily liberal, but often just irresponsibility and lazyness. You can very well keep an eye on what your kids are exposed to and try to "work" with it without having to restrict their access on all and everything you don't like. But that needs time and mindfulness plus the will to actively take part in their life. That includes letting them have their own private business from time to time, but that also sometimes includes just cutting them off from stuff when you lack the time and energy to deal with it at that time. In this case though, you ought to be prepared to deal later with it, given that the kid didn't already lose interest in it anyway (can happen fast).
Regarding my posts in general, you fail to understand that I am only expressing my oppinion, albeit I also stand up fighting for them. Neither do I have the will or means to force them upon you, although I keep hoping for some understanding, nor do I tell anyone to just shut up when I don't like what they're writing. It's not my fault that certain people always feel the urge to "fight for the world-freedom and against oppression of all sorts" when all I ask them for is to be aware of their own language and attitude.
Also being liberal and tollerant doesn't necessarily mean you have to bear with everything, oftentimes it just means to be leaving others alone with what makes them happy as long as it doesn't affect you or other negatively. But there are situations where room for leaving someone alone is restricted and those situations call for responsibility and interpretation of what freedom is. We wont be able to solve questions of how human interaction and societies work, philosphers have argued over that for millenia. My personal stance is that freedom in a society is not a totalitarian right of the fittest, but a compromise between weighting your own freedom against the freedom of others around you. Consequently that worldview includes such oppinions as: "Yes, you can raise your kids the way you see fit as long as I don't have to deal with them. But if you raise them in a way that will result them in treating my own kids disrespectful then don't wonder if I'm gonna argue with you over it, or if I teach my own kids to solidarize with others against them."
From a pure intellectual point of view it's quite interesting to be discussing these things, but it's also quite exhausting to be doing it in written form in a foreign language on a forum that does not exactly qualify for arguments like these.
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I'm liking the stair gate analogy.
Except, they get up the stairs before they can walk, crawling, get stuck, try to turn round and boing, down they come.
better a gate than a broken neck. You can't teach a 9 month old about danger.
the gate is their for safety which is simply common sense. What matters as a parent is knowing when to take the gate away.
In the house we moved into they had paid to have this huge fireguard made. It w as massive ugly wiremesh thing that came out about 3 foot in all directions round a very small fireplace.
they were very proud of it.
First thing we did was throw it away. Come on, our kids are old enough to know that fire will hurt. Their kids were like 10 and 7 years old...
Parental judgment.
I have no idea why this is interedsting or why I'm posting it. but there you go. 2c and all that.
Except, they get up the stairs before they can walk, crawling, get stuck, try to turn round and boing, down they come.
better a gate than a broken neck. You can't teach a 9 month old about danger.
the gate is their for safety which is simply common sense. What matters as a parent is knowing when to take the gate away.
In the house we moved into they had paid to have this huge fireguard made. It w as massive ugly wiremesh thing that came out about 3 foot in all directions round a very small fireplace.
they were very proud of it.
First thing we did was throw it away. Come on, our kids are old enough to know that fire will hurt. Their kids were like 10 and 7 years old...
Parental judgment.
I have no idea why this is interedsting or why I'm posting it. but there you go. 2c and all that.
Good point, but keep in mind that upto to a certain age it's rather hard if not impossible to teach kids about dangers, and that some dangers are so life-threatening to a child that you're better off risking the kid's mental health (aka pitty goth lesbian s/m freak) to risking their physical health (aka broken neck).b0unce wrote:some friends of mine don't put one of those gates at the top of their stairs, they just taught the child about the danger, and now he's used to stairs....
I know another mom who's got one of those gates up and just leaves it at that, bad parenting. kid knows nothing about stairs and if the gate fails...well, roll one d20 and see what happens.
Also don't make the mistake to equate a Nanny to a prisonwatch. It doesn't necessarily mean to be cutting access to what you don't like, but it means to be aware of whats happening and only by that being able to intervene. To stay with the stairs analogy, I cannot teach my kid to stay away from stairs if I am not aware of their dangers and that my child is running around them. I cannot teach my kid how to interprete messages on this forum if I am not aware that they are surfing around here and that this "technical" forum is subject to so much ill-dispute. No, that doesn't mean that I want to be watching my kids like Big Brother all day long, but it means that I have to be sensible about situations in which to better keep an eye on them. To my own surprise this forum which I a member of for a rather short time only has more of an adult-pub than a hobbyist garage in times.
And don't make me laugh about the 13 year age restriction!
"Are you at least 13 years of age? Yes/No"
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See I'm concerned that goths and lesbians would be deemed to have mental health problems...
BTW, just throwing this in the ring.
Does anyone actually HATE anyone or anything on an internet forum. I mean I don't think I really hate anything at all. There are plenty of things I dislike ranging from mild displeasure to pretty cross.
But, I don't hate anything really...
(Not a hippy either, most hippies I've met are struggling in many ways and deeply unhappy people )
BTW, just throwing this in the ring.
Does anyone actually HATE anyone or anything on an internet forum. I mean I don't think I really hate anything at all. There are plenty of things I dislike ranging from mild displeasure to pretty cross.
But, I don't hate anything really...
(Not a hippy either, most hippies I've met are struggling in many ways and deeply unhappy people
)Yes, as much as I am! And that is the point why you have to watch your language and how you use certain associations! It was not me who used that example of "what can go wrong with too restricted education".UKRuss wrote:See I'm concerned that goths and lesbians would be deemed to have mental health problems...
Yeah, damn american homophobes! Must be connected to that most of american culture was build up by people who left Europe before the age of enlightment and thus totally missed that part of evolution. Many of those were christian fundamentalist as well who couldn't be beared in Europe any longer so they left for good and build that monolithic castle of true faith. 
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<playing with stereotypes>@Machinesworking - I actually had a fairly similar upbringing to you - but my mother was the 'don't watch the terminator because killing is negative energy' type so I wasn't completely left to my own devices, I just had to watch it at my friends house - guess that kinda proves your goth girl point in a way
but the upbringing point is also kind of interesting because in a similar way to her point about bad energy the reason I prefer to avoid the abusive shit on the net is more because I could just do without it - I kind of do it to myself enough, I dont really need more of it
- My mother is from Glasgow and those people cant speak to you without abusing you somehow, so it certainyl doesnt shock me, I just dont need more of it
something I've been realising since becoming a parent - I think a lot of my own self doubt comes from that lack of boundaries as a kid
kids need boundaries, you can't over do it or it will be like your gothic girl example -( but then you could argue she was just being sensible to not get caught up in worshipping flying jesus monsters or whatever her folks were into) but they have to know where the line is because the world is just to confusing other wise and they end up thinking they can do whatever they like and then really struggling when they find out they have to pay bills and hold down a job to do so
I think the ones who are really successful in life are often brought up with strong boundaries, or at least a very clear picture of what the world they're in is all about and how to make it work for them [/soapbox]
@Timur: dude, why not practice writing in point form, I don't read 90% of your posts cause they are just too damn long
but the upbringing point is also kind of interesting because in a similar way to her point about bad energy the reason I prefer to avoid the abusive shit on the net is more because I could just do without it - I kind of do it to myself enough, I dont really need more of it
- My mother is from Glasgow and those people cant speak to you without abusing you somehow, so it certainyl doesnt shock me, I just dont need more of it
something I've been realising since becoming a parent - I think a lot of my own self doubt comes from that lack of boundaries as a kid
kids need boundaries, you can't over do it or it will be like your gothic girl example -( but then you could argue she was just being sensible to not get caught up in worshipping flying jesus monsters or whatever her folks were into) but they have to know where the line is because the world is just to confusing other wise and they end up thinking they can do whatever they like and then really struggling when they find out they have to pay bills and hold down a job to do so
I think the ones who are really successful in life are often brought up with strong boundaries, or at least a very clear picture of what the world they're in is all about and how to make it work for them [/soapbox]
@Timur: dude, why not practice writing in point form, I don't read 90% of your posts cause they are just too damn long
Hehe, I did learn that when I was working at a newspaper. But I got bored. Besides that, it helps get a picture of my own thoughts for myself, kinda self-reflection. No need for you to read it then.forge wrote:@Timur: dude, why not practice writing in point form, I don't read 90% of your posts cause they are just too damn long
Also complex topics shouldn't always be broken down to simple arguments. We're not applying for becoming president here. yeah, but I think sometimes you make good points, I just rarely see them if they're not in the first sentenceTimur wrote:Hehe, I did learn that when I was working at a newspaper. But I got bored. Besides that, it helps get a picture of my own thoughts for myself, kinda self-reflection. No need for you to read it then.forge wrote:@Timur: dude, why not practice writing in point form, I don't read 90% of your posts cause they are just too damn long