Some people ask "what else can I do, besides voting" - well, here is something.
If you agree read through this, follow through with calling your representatives and pass this on where you can.
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Another Day, Another FISA Veto Threat By The Bully In The White House
Yesterday, Bush again put the self interest of himself and his giant
telecom criminal co-conspirators above our national security, by
threatening to veto the FISA update bill unless we gave them all get
out of jail free cards. And if Congress were to bend over yet again,
he would still probably veto it to demand even more changes and/or
defy other major provisions with a signing statement, as he so
outrageously did with the recent defense bill.
We must be just as relentless as the criminals who are working
overtime to gut our constitution. We have had two successful
filibusters so far, and it looks like we're going to need a third.
And we need strong opposition in the House too, for that is our last
bulwark.
No Immunity of Any Kind Action Page:
http://www.usalone.com/no_telecom_immunity2.php (anyone can use this
link, includes local district phone number lookup for all your
members of Congress)
Facebook Version:
http://apps.facebook.com/fb_voices/acti ... um=pnum797 (for this
link must be a member of Facebook and logged in)
Please AGAIN call all your members of Congress, toll free at
800-828-0498, 800-614-2803 or 866-340-9281, and submit the action
pages above to back that up with an email message. 1) Tell them NO
immunity, and while you are at it, them 2) no basket warrants or
reverse targeting, 3) no sequestration of illegally harvested
evidence, and Yes to 4) making FISA the exclusive means of
surveillance.
The latest scam they are trying to run down on the American people is
to retroactively lower the liability bar to some kind of flimsy "good
faith" standard, the clear intent of which is to ensure that the
telecoms get off the hook, another snaky end run around the law.
Suppose a bank robber told a judge he had a good faith belief it was
his own money. How far would that one fly? What part of NO immunity
don't they get?
The American people deserve to know how far this is gone. We are not
going to allow one of the most precious amendments in our Bill of
Rights, the protection against unwarranted search, to be swept under
the rug. And even beyond that, informed commentators believe that
creating the Big Brother database of Cheney's dreams would in fact
invite a nightmare of new national security vulnerabilities.
Dennis Kucinich Is Still Standing Strong
And what greater hero do we have than Dennis Kucinich, still standing
strong as ever on every issue that matters. Here is his own
leadership statement opposing telecom immunity
The veto threat by the President is just the latest example of the
use of fear and intimidation -- in the name of "national security" -
to secure legislative authority to violate the Constitutional rights
and protections of American citizens. I strenuously object to any
immunity for telecommunications companies and demand a full
accounting of these companies' involvement to Congress and to the
American public. When corporations cooperate with the government to
strip people of their Constitutional rights, that is a textbook
description of fascism. There must not be any place in America for
this type of conduct.
And yet, even now, powerful corporations are pouring money into
Dennis's district, to try to buy his seat out from under him by
threatening him in his own primary. They are running malicious attack
ads in heavy rotation. Please consider making a donation to Dennis
now, to help him fight back.
Fight Back Dennis Donations:
http://www.usalone.com/fight_back_kucinich2.php
And to thank you for standing with him, Dennis wants to send you his
own special commemorative edition of the pocket Constitution with any
donation of $100 or more. Remember, even if you had already donated
the limit to his courageous presidential run, you can donate as much
as another $2300 to the congressional seat defense. In fact, if you
are so fortunate as to be able to contribute $1000 or more, Dennis
will personally autograph your new pocket constitution for you.
Dennis would not be silenced and neither will we. We need more like
Dennis Kucinich, not less. We need to protect the ones we've got with
everything we've got.
So please, submit the action pages on telecom immunity, call all your
members of Congress again and again, because that is the most
important contribution of all. But if you also have to means to help
Dennis continue to stand up for you, your contribution to him right
now could make the critical difference.
Paid for by the Re-Elect Congressman Kucinich Committee
Please take action NOW, so we can win all victories that are supposed
to be ours, and forward this alert as widely as possible.
(OT) American citizens, call to action re: FISA veto threat
Re: (OT) American citizens, call to action re: FISA veto thr
Smutek - this is exactly why you ned to vote for a democrat, as much as you will hate to do itsmutek wrote:Some people ask "what else can I do, besides voting" - well, here is something.
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I totally understand why you dont want to, and I think they really are only marginally better, but even the slimmest margin is worth it IMO
even if it's the tiniest fraction of a speck of an amoeba of a bit better, they are still better
Re: (OT) American citizens, call to action re: FISA veto thr
Not a chance my friend. My minds made up. As they say, I've took all I can take an I can't take no more!forge wrote:Smutek - this is exactly why you ned to vote for a democrat, as much as you will hate to do itsmutek wrote:Some people ask "what else can I do, besides voting" - well, here is something.
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I totally understand why you dont want to, and I think they really are only marginally better, but even the slimmest margin is worth it IMO
even if it's the tiniest fraction of a speck of an amoeba of a bit better, they are still better
Don't worry. A democrat will win the election.
Regarding my original post, just a disclaimer: note that in my post (-- the text is a copy paste from an email list I am on -- ) there are calls to donate to this organization and to donate to Kucinich -- my post isn't about donating to Kucinich, or anyone really - - it's about spreading information and asking people to call their reps if this is something that concerns them. Hopefully that is obvious, but I just want to be sure.
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Fair enough.
For what it's worth I do get where you are coming from, strong rhetoric is often counter-productive and usually turns me off immediately, whether I am reading info from the left or the right.
In this case the rhetoric isn't so strong since it is pretty much the truth, unless we allow them to change the law and grant retroactive immunity of course, in which case it wont be a criminal conspiracy anymore, not by law at least.
Shouldn't concern you much anyway, you're English aren't you?
*edit - - actually, that's a silly thing for me to say. As if you have to be American to care about or discuss American politics.
My bad - statement left for the record, but retracted in spirit.
For what it's worth I do get where you are coming from, strong rhetoric is often counter-productive and usually turns me off immediately, whether I am reading info from the left or the right.
In this case the rhetoric isn't so strong since it is pretty much the truth, unless we allow them to change the law and grant retroactive immunity of course, in which case it wont be a criminal conspiracy anymore, not by law at least.
Shouldn't concern you much anyway, you're English aren't you?
*edit - - actually, that's a silly thing for me to say. As if you have to be American to care about or discuss American politics.
My bad - statement left for the record, but retracted in spirit.
He's an ex US fighter pilot.smutek wrote:Fair enough.
For what it's worth I do get where you are coming from, strong rhetoric is often counter-productive and usually turns me off immediately, whether I am reading info from the left or the right.
In this case the rhetoric isn't so strong since it is pretty much the truth, unless we allow them to change the law of course, in which case it wont be criminal anymore.
Shouldn't concern you much anyway, you're English aren't you?
*edit - - actually, that's a silly thing for me to say. As if you have to be American to care about or discuss American politics.
My bad - statement left for the record, but retracted in spirit.
Though you don't have to be american to care about american politics.
Since stuff like the daily show gets aired on CNN in europe, we're actually pretty well informed over here.
Plus, american politics affect europe very much. As a result of the war on terrorism, its a pain in the arse to open a bank account as a Belgian in Denmark.
Something that wasn't a problem in the past for an EU citizen.
Loads more examples like that. Don't get me started on airport security...
Sarcasm maybe?b0unce wrote:wow.hoffman2k wrote: Since stuff like the daily show gets aired on CNN in europe, we're actually pretty well informed over here.
Sad truth is most of you folks over there, over anywhere pretty much are much more informed then the majority of us over here.
That was the primary reason I edited my post.