[tip] Using clip properties on live input

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 12:35 am

Cool new trick i found:
Say you want to be able to automate FX or volume on a live input...
Record a tiny blank audio clip. Turn monitor to "On" to hear the live input. Use the clip properties of that clip to automate parameters for the track it's on.
Say you want some gating-style effects on a vocalist while s/he's singing... you automate the mixer's volume via the empty clip. Automating clip volume would do nothing since the clip is empty, same with transpose. Of course, FX parameters are also automatable

Have fun!

bensuthers · Post by **bensuthers** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 1:02 am

oh thank you thank you thank you thank you.

what a great feature!

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:38 am

way to go man, damn I think I'm gonna have to tell on you.

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:59 am

Hot to freakin' death son!!!

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 7:02 am

i knew you'd be feelin this one rahlo, for us MCs this tip is golden. and imagine routing track into track into track.

peeddrroo · Post by **peeddrroo** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 8:43 am

yeah, that's cool.
i don't use any live input, (i mean not with the audio playing through Live).
but i do loop myself playing some instruments. so i was a bit disapointed, because this good tip is supposed to work only for live input, not for recorded loops.
BUT, actualy, i think i found a way: you just need to route the track where you record your loops TO the track where you put your automation clips. done!
you can even have a few scenes of 'pre-recorded effects automations' that you put as clips on the bottom of the session view (not being triggered when you launch scenes). and then have a controller to launch them. like 1/16 chopping, 1/32, with long/short release time...
if you remove all the slots buttons, the effects will keep on playing.

man, that's awesome!

Scatmunch · Post by **Scatmunch** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 3:18 pm

Good tip. However - and I wonder if I'm doin' something fundamentally wrong (bit of a novice so probably) - but as I play my synth through Live's input and say automate the mixer's volume to produce a gating effect, I can still hear my synth and the automated volume on the mixer is neglegible. I can see the outputs on the master volume going off on on but still hear the synth fully through the track. It's not until I resample from the master out that the effect can be truely heard. Have I explained myself there?!! : /

I mean, am I meant to hear the effect as I play "live", so to speak or what?

If you could decipher what I meant and steer me in the wright direction, I'd appreciate it.

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 4:52 pm

Can you still hear your synth when monitoring for that track is set to "Auto" or "Off"? If so, i would guess that you're hearing a mix of Live's output and direct monitoring of your synth through your soundcard. In other words, the signal from your synth is fed straight to the output of your soundcard and into Live for affecting. So you probably need to turn off direct monitoring of the input on your soundcard; should be an option somewhere on the software control panel for your soundcard.
Be warned, however, that monitoring through Live introduces some unavoidable latency. So for latency-free monitoring of the synth you would have to monitor directly instead of through Live, which means not using Live to affect the signal.
Hope this helps!

Scatmunch · Post by **Scatmunch** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:54 pm

ethios4

you've anwered and explained the point I was trying to convey very well. Thanks a lot.

I turned off the direct monitoring and viola!

Thanks again.

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 3:51 am

::mic-minimal:: wrote:i knew you'd be feelin this one rahlo, for us MCs this tip is golden. and imagine routing track into track into track.

ok, I'm being a little slow--break this one down for me. What more could I do vocal wise routing my track into another track into another track.

forgive my ignorance bro!

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 9:11 am

well if you wanted you could compound Ethios tip and multiply it by tracks
with lives new routing scheme making it possible to route any track into any other. doing his idea on one track then setting up another track with diff settings, efx, and automation and routing the first track into that one, on and on, also automating the track faders for when you want to bring in or out a paticular tracks efx automation

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 1:29 pm

ahhh. ok. that's a dope thought too man! Thanks!

hey, where can i hear some of your stuff?

::mic-minimal:: wrote:well if you wanted you could compound Ethios tip and multiply it by tracks
with lives new routing scheme making it possible to route any track into any other. doing his idea on one track then setting up another track with diff settings, efx, and automation and routing the first track into that one, on and on, also automating the track faders for when you want to bring in or out a paticular tracks efx automation

Mbazzy · Post by **Mbazzy** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 2:01 pm

You also can do the automation by simply recording a midi clip and routing it into the audiotrack you are doing the "Live In" in ... as an alternative

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Per Boysen · Post by **Per Boysen** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 4:53 pm

ethios4 wrote:Record a tiny blank audio clip. Turn monitor to "On" to hear the live input. Use the clip properties of that clip to automate parameters for the track it's on.

Good trick! I do this with midi clips, though. Have a bunch of "dynamic gate clips" and route the MIDI to some track ON/OFF button ("midi learn" automating it). I'm not so much into using it for my live input but for overdub looping plug-in (Augustus Loop) on different tracks. With this set-up I can make long notes and have other tracks assamble certain beat patterns from these notes. Also, by chaining the "beat source" clips by follow actions you can get a kind of random sequencer behind the noise you're making.

D K · Post by **D K** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 12:09 pm

ethios-
you just made my day!!
thanks:D
dk

[tip] Using clip properties on live input

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