Hi,
Is anybody there making fresh house music with Live 4?
Im making a kind of progressive house loops, but thats so on,
I dont use arrange view...
House Music with Live?
Re: House Music with Live?
I used to work like that to. But the arranger is the ultimate loop creator. Anyway Live is suitable for house, breaks, rock, funerals.........Marc_gnd wrote:Hi,
I dont use arrange view...
I have asked myself that question over and over.....
It really comes down to the sound you have in mind. A house track can be made in 10 minutes with almost any sequencer so live wont make a difference in that.
I cannot say wich vst's would be great for you because i dont know wich sound your looking for. Maybe an organ like the B4, or atmospehere for those lovely pads,....
One thing you always have is choice. If your looking for very versatile sounds you might wonna look at NATIVE INSTRUMENTS products. There are loads of cheaper solutions too.
And about strategies to making house music:
The hardest lesson i had is learning not to do the same stuff over and over. You can sit back and make a clasical tune wich could be part of a house track later.
I guess the right question would be : are there any strategies to making music?
I cant answer that one. You either do it or you dont i supose.
cheers
It really comes down to the sound you have in mind. A house track can be made in 10 minutes with almost any sequencer so live wont make a difference in that.
I cannot say wich vst's would be great for you because i dont know wich sound your looking for. Maybe an organ like the B4, or atmospehere for those lovely pads,....
One thing you always have is choice. If your looking for very versatile sounds you might wonna look at NATIVE INSTRUMENTS products. There are loads of cheaper solutions too.
And about strategies to making house music:
The hardest lesson i had is learning not to do the same stuff over and over. You can sit back and make a clasical tune wich could be part of a house track later.
I guess the right question would be : are there any strategies to making music?
I cant answer that one. You either do it or you dont i supose.
cheers
Hi hoffman2000!!
Im currently using absynth and some sounds are quite good for that house tracks.
Im searching some underground / dark house, like Iberican sounds.
Nor that cheap singed house.
Also, I ve tried Trilogy, and there are a lot of quite good bass sounds.
In 10 minutes, I can make some battery, bass, and synth line...
Then, once I have a good sounding loop, I stop all the music, cos I want some variation since that loop starts to repeat in my head all the time.
I dont know if you can understand what im sayin!!
cheers
Im currently using absynth and some sounds are quite good for that house tracks.
Im searching some underground / dark house, like Iberican sounds.
Nor that cheap singed house.
Also, I ve tried Trilogy, and there are a lot of quite good bass sounds.
In 10 minutes, I can make some battery, bass, and synth line...
Then, once I have a good sounding loop, I stop all the music, cos I want some variation since that loop starts to repeat in my head all the time.
I dont know if you can understand what im sayin!!
cheers
I understand completely.
As i said, the arranger is the way to go. I have to remind myself of that every day.
I work pattern/loop based too when i'm making a track.
Soon i get bored and somehow lose the essence of what i had in mind. if you make a couple of scene's, you can get a better overview of how and where you want parts of your song.
Also, you have more automation options in the arranger for effects. for example: you can switch an effect on/off in the arranger with automations. Thats something you can't do with scenes. (unless you have dry/wet on the effect)
I'm really not that experienced, but i made a comitment to keep on doing music till i die. even if i dont make it.
Maybe some of the more advanced users can share you some light on the infinite amount of tricks applying to audio manipulation. All i do is learn each day. And i've learned alot from this forum.
As i said, the arranger is the way to go. I have to remind myself of that every day.
I work pattern/loop based too when i'm making a track.
Soon i get bored and somehow lose the essence of what i had in mind. if you make a couple of scene's, you can get a better overview of how and where you want parts of your song.
Also, you have more automation options in the arranger for effects. for example: you can switch an effect on/off in the arranger with automations. Thats something you can't do with scenes. (unless you have dry/wet on the effect)
I'm really not that experienced, but i made a comitment to keep on doing music till i die. even if i dont make it.
Maybe some of the more advanced users can share you some light on the infinite amount of tricks applying to audio manipulation. All i do is learn each day. And i've learned alot from this forum.
I have also a question about making drum loops.
Im using a track with an impulse loaded with roland 808 drum set but I cant get this thing sound like other pre-sampled loops I own (wav loops)
I dont want to use the pre recorded thing
, since I want to learn how to do my own stuff... hehe its a requeriment.
But since I cant get real house sounding loops with impulse, I am droping that f***ed drumloops into audio tracks of Live.
Sorry about this dumb questions--
Marc
Im using a track with an impulse loaded with roland 808 drum set but I cant get this thing sound like other pre-sampled loops I own (wav loops)
I dont want to use the pre recorded thing
, since I want to learn how to do my own stuff... hehe its a requeriment.But since I cant get real house sounding loops with impulse, I am droping that f***ed drumloops into audio tracks of Live.
Sorry about this dumb questions--
Marc
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That's not a dumb question at all - I wish I would have asked along time, for some people things come naturally for others...they have to ask from time to time right
idea - recycle your loops and use the drums from your house loops - nothing wrong with that - layer your sampled drum with the real deal and you got something
idea 2 impulse can be routed to individual outs which means you can apply all those crazy effects
I wish impulse could layer drums but that's really not on my list of concerns these days, but it would be nice -
idea - recycle your loops and use the drums from your house loops - nothing wrong with that - layer your sampled drum with the real deal and you got something
idea 2 impulse can be routed to individual outs which means you can apply all those crazy effects
I wish impulse could layer drums but that's really not on my list of concerns these days, but it would be nice -
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I just committed myself to having fun instead of taking everything so seriously - I used to be like "oh so and so would never play this" or "this will never get put out blah blah blah" so I just gave up and said f this I'm just going to have fun - wow - this is so much funA DJ wrote:my motto as wellhoffman2k wrote:I'm really not that experienced, but i made a comitment to keep on doing music till i die. even if i dont make it
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but a nod goes to Ableton for making it so much fun!
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i would try copying the loop you want to use with the Impulse samples & a midi clip. place the kicks/hats/claps/whatever just like the wav loop, and adjust the swing until it sounds right. this will allow you to get the vibe you want, and you will learn a little about how to do it as well.
now when you are making a track and come up with a loop that sounds good, you create variation by adding or removing elements, and making new scenes whenever something sounds good. Use ctrl-shift-I to capture & insert a scene of all clips that are playing. think about how songs tend to be structured, how elements are introduced and removed. you don't have to write the song from the beginning to end, going section by section. try something, and if you like it, save it as a scene. you can adjust the sequence later.
the main thing is to have some fun with it. if a song comes to a dead end, leave it alone.
now when you are making a track and come up with a loop that sounds good, you create variation by adding or removing elements, and making new scenes whenever something sounds good. Use ctrl-shift-I to capture & insert a scene of all clips that are playing. think about how songs tend to be structured, how elements are introduced and removed. you don't have to write the song from the beginning to end, going section by section. try something, and if you like it, save it as a scene. you can adjust the sequence later.
the main thing is to have some fun with it. if a song comes to a dead end, leave it alone.
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@Marc-gnd- If you want your percussion to "sound" like those packaged loops you are hearing, you'll need to split the sounds to their own individual tracks, eq/effect/ them separately and then resample them using compression/limiting to get the levels hot and lively.
But take care not to worry about sounding like what those packages are all about because your "sound" may be what everyone else ends up being after eventually. You never know.
But take care not to worry about sounding like what those packages are all about because your "sound" may be what everyone else ends up being after eventually. You never know.
easiest way to split the drum hits would be using Impulse or Battery (kontakt is annoying that each sample preset can only have one output).
actually, that's really the only way to get a proper sound. the kick, the hats, the snares, etc - all have to be eq'd and stuff individually (though a group of similar sounds, like all the hi hats, can be eq'd etc together).
actually, that's really the only way to get a proper sound. the kick, the hats, the snares, etc - all have to be eq'd and stuff individually (though a group of similar sounds, like all the hi hats, can be eq'd etc together).
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A really great way to bridge the gap between Session and Arranger view is to jam out your structure in Session view, then go back and tweak it in Arranger view.
You get the basic clips you want setup in Session, then hit the Record button and jam away! Everything you do will be recorded into Arranger view, so you get the spontaneity and inspiration of Session and the precision of Arrangement.
The secret to using Live is to treat it like an instrument. It takes practise and a willingness to explore for its secrets. I've found it very helpful to let go of trying to create what's been done before and allow myself to be open to the unique possibilities Live affords.
For instance, you can take a single kick drum sample, run it through Resonators and automated Filters and Delay, and get that great German house sound, ala MRI. I love that sound, even though its been done before...
The possibilites are endless...
Learning how to use EQ and Compression is an essential tool for mixing, especially House.
You get the basic clips you want setup in Session, then hit the Record button and jam away! Everything you do will be recorded into Arranger view, so you get the spontaneity and inspiration of Session and the precision of Arrangement.
The secret to using Live is to treat it like an instrument. It takes practise and a willingness to explore for its secrets. I've found it very helpful to let go of trying to create what's been done before and allow myself to be open to the unique possibilities Live affords.
For instance, you can take a single kick drum sample, run it through Resonators and automated Filters and Delay, and get that great German house sound, ala MRI. I love that sound, even though its been done before...
The possibilites are endless...
Learning how to use EQ and Compression is an essential tool for mixing, especially House.