REX Support

hitherto · Post by **hitherto** » Thu Aug 12, 2004 7:41 am

This would be huge!!!

Guest · Post by **Guest** » Fri Aug 13, 2004 9:11 pm

i agree. i've been test-driving the demo, and want to buy Live just because the GUI is so beautiful and functional. but i can't justify owning both Live and Reason, if i can't use Live to control REX files directly.

i've been wishing for a while that i could use Reason to control my MIDI hardware - but of course that's contrary to everything Propelleheads are trying to do.

now if Live could support drag-and-drop REX files - then i would gladly pay $400 and be in MIDI heaven.

hey Ableton - i'm sure i'm not the only one. REX support: please, pretty please?

p.s. your software is fantastic

: )

hitherto · Post by **hitherto** » Sat Aug 14, 2004 6:57 am

Seems like a no-brainer.

Rene Hart · Post by **Rene Hart** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 8:12 am

Would be fantastic. I really like live alot, but this would take it to a whole 'nother level.

It would really help the problem of keeping a groove feel while warping in Live. As it is now if your stuff contains anything that pushes or pulls on metronomic time Live usually loses the feel when warping it in beat mode. If you go to tones or texture mode there are multiple soundings of each attack, and can be even more of a feel loser with the grains big.

Doing the recycle thing can be a PITA, but it really pays off when you hear something that makes your ass move. I would honestly have to say that Live can tend be a little light in the ass moving department. It sort of funnels you down the path of, even demands that you put your attacks right on the metronomic beat. or suffer weird time stuff and clipped attacks as it warps.
The "swing feel/shuffle" thing in live 4 is a start... a small start, more useful for the new midi programing stuff than for use with audio files, at least in my case.

-Rene

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Aug 16, 2004 6:01 pm

If the impulse where polyphonic and had 4 times as much slots, you could say goodbye to rex-files.

If you take an audio clip you messed around with and drag it into the impulse, repeat this with different parts of a loop or sample till you fill the 8 slots. You can almost have a better device then the dr rex. also you save alot of time making rex files.
For now it's limited because:

-10s sample limit

-needs at least 32 slots

-more advanced filtering options, although you can route every part to another channel and add effects there. ( not possible with a dr rex)

If these features where implemented, the impulse would surely outrock any rex device. your cpu is the limit

Some of you might know this because it has been postedbefore by others, it's just worth mentioning because it's not in the manual.

highdropod · Post by **highdropod** » Wed Aug 18, 2004 7:39 pm

That would be a VERY nice feature.

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Sun Aug 22, 2004 8:18 pm

Yes it's an excellent feature but ya still gotta shell out the cash for recycle.

Maybe a beatslicer instrument with midi export (drag and drop) would be nice? Multi-out and all.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Aug 23, 2004 5:56 pm

Maybe if you re-read my post you might come to the conlusion i did not mention recycle. Ableton probably see's the light in this to. what i meant is that you can do so much more with live alone. then combining alot of unnessacery apps

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:14 am

Well I'm answering the topic not your comments. The topic mentions Rex support. Recycle makes the REX files.

If the impulse where polyphonic and had 4 times as much slots, you could say goodbye to rex-files.

I don't think you actually worked with Rex files at all.

What do you if you wanna chop down a 2 minute drum solo into different segments? How long would it take you to chop it?

Beat slicing such has Rex has it's advantage over Ableton's way of slicing stuff:

There is no timestretching involved. No artifacts whatsoever.

The slices are chopped based on attack transients and you can export the midi groove into a sequencer, move parts around without affecting the original timing.

You can also use the midi exported from the sliced beat and apply it to another midi track.

Chopping is also much faster cuz you only need to adjust the sensitivity slider and make minor adjustement by hand.

The only thing I agree with your post is about impulse lacking slots.

Cheers

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:08 am

Didnt meant to come over insulting or anything. Just there are loads of alternatives to a rex file with more possibility's.
For example when i load up a sample in my 909, i press the chop button and then i do what i like with it. Bottomline is REX is a method that can be found in loads of different software and hardware. The main deal for this is not needing aditional software to make rex-files. You can do it with loads of stuff if you forget the three letter word REX.
I guess my point is, i know how to handle and make a rex file. But in the end it's just another format to deal with.
Some people love swimming in files, some in oppurtunity's.

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:09 pm

Come on man, you start with:

Didnt meant to come over insulting or anything.

and then end with:

Some people love swimming in files, some in oppurtunity's.

What does that tell me?

I guess my point is, i know how to handle and make a rex file. But in the end it's just another format to deal with.

Yes in a way you are right but it is a practical format. It is also easily reusable in other software (even the midi file that you made in a sequencer afterward can be reused in other sequencers).

If you have all the time on your hand to do a track then fine but if you need shell out a few tracks a week then the Rex format is a faster one and more convenient one.

Anyways all this isn't an issue for me, I have some samplers that can load Rex files.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 8:43 pm

paradiddle wrote:Come on man, you start with:

Didnt meant to come over insulting or anything.
and then end with:

Some people love swimming in files, some in oppurtunity's.
What does that tell me?

What i meant with that last sentence is this:
I used to have AKAI samplers that had the same principal as Rex (chopping and export midi)
It worked on diskette's and i ended up with over a 1000 of them. Loads of files and i didn't like it.

And i apologize for offending you. It's not up to me to decide what you use. I was just trying to say that i personally find that the method with live 4 and the impulse could reproduce the same benefit because you can export midi clips in live too. It's not compatible with other samplers so i understand why it's not the same.

paradiddle · Post by **paradiddle** » Tue Aug 24, 2004 11:55 pm

All is cool, no offense taken.

that i personally find that the method with live 4 and the impulse could reproduce the same benefit because you can export midi clips in live too

I know what you mean but the midi files generated by Rex is actually the position of the transients. So it's like a groove extract kinda of thing.

What I liked about this is (the way I use them in logic.) is that I can move the midi notes up and down or sideways and still keep the original timing which is not quantized. (You can also do that in live no prob).

Anyway, I'm also not trying to change your ways of working or tell you that my way is better. I'm only pointing the benefits of rex files.

That's why I'd love to see a beat slicer instrument in live.

Imagine where you could load any lenght, you have a sensitivity slicer to detect attacks, add/move/remove markers manually. You could have 16 outputs where you could manually send a slice to any outputs and simply drag and drop the midi generated by the transients to a live midi track.

This could also serve has a groove extractor.

Later,

elemental · Post by **elemental** » Wed Aug 25, 2004 3:37 pm

yo abletons this would b heavy,

I know your the king of the hill but u can go higher!

bring it on!!!!

wazu · Post by **wazu** » Fri Sep 29, 2006 2:07 pm

Ableton, please implement rex/rx2 import. It would also be nice to have rex files appear in the browser as folders where you can access, preview and load the single slices.