Who's killing who? (Logic vs. Live)

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:11 pm

wilxon wrote:
dcease wrote:
wilxon wrote:Have you had a good look at soundtrack pro yet

flippin awesome wave editor when used in single stereo file mode
just curious, why? and how, if you don't mind, i've never really got why people use external editors, maybe i am missing something?

Not a lot you cant do in live, just a lot you can do really really easy, and you can link it to live so that when you press the edit button it opens soundtrack pro automaticaly.

You can also do loads of other things like noise reduction, click & pop removal - and use these specific tools as effects to change morph sounds.

Well worth having a DECENt external editor. By decent i mean Adobe Audition or Apple Soundtrack Pro.

thanks for the reply. i have soundtrack pro set up as my editor, might check out the noise removal stuff, i was just curious how/why people use them, inside of live.

weeddigger · Post by **weeddigger** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 3:25 pm

And yeah, my software is completely up to date...

machead · Post by **machead** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 4:59 pm

my problem when re-wiring ableton to logic is the timing.

every time a press stop and play ableton isnt in sync with logic.

Am using upto date logic but on have live 6.

is this bug fixed in live 7?

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:13 pm

I think both Live 7 and Logic Studio are too new and buggy to determine which is to blame. Give it about a year of updates.

nepotist · Post by **nepotist** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:16 pm

what does Logic do that Live doesn't? Right now I run Live 7 with Reason, Reaktor, and the 4 AAS plugs, am I missing much by not adding Logic into the mix? Better instruments?

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:28 pm

nepotist wrote:what does Logic do that Live doesn't? Right now I run Live 7 with Reason, Reaktor, and the 4 AAS plugs, am I missing much by not adding Logic into the mix? Better instruments?

In my opinion the instruments and effects that come with Logic are a lot better than Live's. I'm also a huge fan of having the analyzer built in to the EQ interface. I'm sure I'll find other great things as I use it more.

nepotist · Post by **nepotist** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 5:41 pm

Since you already have Live as well, do you think its worth buying Logic to add to the arsenal? I already enjoy working in Live's session view so i would probably only use Logic in a Rewire capacity for the instruments etc. If it makes any difference I make mostly ambient/electronic stuff and some soundtrack work.

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:00 pm

nepotist wrote:what does Logic do that Live doesn't? Right now I run Live 7 with Reason, Reaktor, and the 4 AAS plugs, am I missing much by not adding Logic into the mix? Better instruments?

I'd say if you got 500 bucks to burn get it. If not don't worry about it, you still have a killer set up now. I only had it for a day, it seems pretty cool. It seems a little more in depth than live. The instruments and effects are cool. It's cool working in a different environment. I'm missing the hell out of session view

but u can rewire that in if you want but I like it being right there. The ultra beat is pretty neato, I never worked with an actual drum synth before

liveISlife · Post by **liveISlife** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 6:01 pm

nepotist wrote:what does Logic do that Live doesn't? Right now I run Live 7 with Reason, Reaktor, and the 4 AAS plugs, am I missing much by not adding Logic into the mix? Better instruments?

I'd say if you got 500 bucks to burn get it. If not don't worry about it, you still have a killer set up now. I only had it for a day, it seems pretty cool. It seems a little more in depth than live. The instruments and effects are cool. It's cool working in a different environment. I'm missing the hell out of session view

but u can rewire that in if you want but I like it being right there. The ultra beat is pretty neato, I never worked with an actual drum synth before

weeddigger · Post by **weeddigger** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 8:57 pm

nepotist wrote:what does Logic do that Live doesn't? Right now I run Live 7 with Reason, Reaktor, and the 4 AAS plugs, am I missing much by not adding Logic into the mix? Better instruments?

Logic might be the sum of all the stuff you have, minus Live's session view, and other minor details...

weeddigger · Post by **weeddigger** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:01 pm

beats me wrote:I think both Live 7 and Logic Studio are too new and buggy to determine which is to blame. Give it about a year of updates.

That's probably the best advice I'll probably get on this.

Thanks.

nepotist · Post by **nepotist** » Wed Feb 27, 2008 9:49 pm

weeddigger wrote:
nepotist wrote:what does Logic do that Live doesn't? Right now I run Live 7 with Reason, Reaktor, and the 4 AAS plugs, am I missing much by not adding Logic into the mix? Better instruments?
Logic might be the sum of all the stuff you have, minus Live's session view, and other minor details...

Thats what I'm thinking, I just don't see the need for both so far.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 5:11 am

nepotist wrote:what does Logic do that Live doesn't? Right now I run Live 7 with Reason, Reaktor, and the 4 AAS plugs, am I missing much by not adding Logic into the mix? Better instruments?

It does have better instruments, but not so much that it would be worth buying Logic over IMO, you can't use them in Live so they only work for making audio clips.
The main thing is Logic has a lot of features that people ask for here all the time, but if you aren't dissatisfied with the Arrangement View in Live, then don;t worry about it.
Otherwise, Logic has an Event editor, MIDI editing tools, multiple screens (as many as you want really), low CPU consumption, audio editing such as Strip Silence, and multiple ways to navigate the Arrange page that are much quicker than Live's method.
basically they do the same thing, but in very different ways, if you're like me, you end up using both.

leedsquietman · Post by **leedsquietman** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:24 am

Better instruments is a subjective thing. Ableton tend to go the road less travelled for their synths, such as Operator and the new instruments and even Sampler goes about it's business in a different way to EXS24 or Kontakt. Logic has ultrabeat, Live has drum machines and the drum racks. Both work great depending on your particular need.

Logic's synths aren't that great, but they are good for free in the box stuff, and you get EXS 24 and Ultrabeat. Cakewalk bundling the full ZETA synth with Sonar 7 is probably the best in the box software synth packaged free with a DAW.

Both have their strengths. Linear view DAWS just don't float my boat anymore either, I was an 8 year devotee to Cubase but now I only use it sparingly and use Live for all my composition and arrangement and where possible, mixing. Sometimes I render all and mix in Cubase if there are more than 24 tracks as Live's session view mixer is too cramped as running dual monitors I can have the arrangement view on one monitor and 3 resizeable mixer windows on the other.

Logic has a cool convo reverb Space Designer, Live has a better compressor in L7. It's horses for courses. You can make great music in either. I heard an album produced in Audacity freeware recently that blew me away.

Live 7 now has 64 bit mixing, Logic is still on 32 bit. Not everything Logic is Superior. People still regard Live as a DJ's toy, or some kind of audio looping tool only fit for rewiring to another DAW. It is in fact a very capable composing, arranging, production and mixing environment now, with most features you would find in a mature DAW such as Logic, Cubase, Sonar etc. although there are still some features to go to really compete on this level (such as better audio editing, folder tracks, multiple audio takes.comping, crossfading audio on arrangement, proper dual monitor support etc, more MIDI control and parameters etc). Then again, non of the mature DAWS offer the Session view way of composing and the quick access to clip envelopes and tricks that Live has and looking at a blank Logic or Cubase canvas is a pretty uninspiring way to compose and arrange, I find my productivity went up from producing 5 or 6 tracks a year in Cubase to producing a 13 track album in 5 months with Live.

Live's Suite instruments give you a very wide palette of sounds and sound great. BUt then again, the Live 7 SUite is currently almost double the cost of Logic, although you wonder how long that discounted price will last...

mohler · Post by **mohler** » Thu Feb 28, 2008 6:29 am

dcease wrote:
wilxon wrote:Have you had a good look at soundtrack pro yet

flippin awesome wave editor when used in single stereo file mode
just curious, why? and how, if you don't mind, i've never really got why people use external editors, maybe i am missing something?

Has the possibility that not all the audio we edit is for use within Live, every occurred to you? So therefore a dedicated wave editor might be useful?