Anyone else want a monodeck?

petterdass · Post by **petterdass** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 4:50 pm

Hi

I wonder if anyone else wants a custom monodeck like controller?

(and maybe improve it, 4 sends maybe, etc)

If we got together enough people we could get someone to make it for us.
It would off course be expensive, but i really,really want a monodeck

Anyone else up for this?

cheers

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:31 pm

I at least want that clip firing matrix with the multicolored LEDs, where the buttons turn red when a clip is playing. You know, the very thing that revolutionized how Robert uses Live. Yeah. One of those would be useful.

One thing I don't have right now is very much $$$. So count me out. But yeah. I want a Monodeck II. And a rack mountable Moog Voyager. Ooh, I want a car too. And a free parking space. A personal chef could come in handy too.

kabuki · Post by **kabuki** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 5:34 pm

I bet there is a way to set up a Lemur to do all of that (Color Coding the icons per clip info) and it would cost a TON less than a Monodeck.

I bet that thing cost near $10k to produce.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:00 pm

Yeah, the only thing I'd want is the clip grid, that's the one aspect of Live I still need to rely on the laptop screen for.

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:06 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:One thing I don't have right now is very much $$$. So count me out. But yeah. I want a Monodeck II. And a rack mountable Moog Voyager. Ooh, I want a car too. And a free parking space. A personal chef could come in handy too.

+1

Throw in a hot nympho super model girlfriend who never ages and has a built in step sequencer.

D K · Post by **D K** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:07 pm

closest quick fix to the grid is the faderfox (not the same, but close)
pair that with the upcoming vestax mixer and you are close...i a mix and match kind of way....

Homebelly · Post by **Homebelly** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:15 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:I at least want that clip firing matrix with the multicolored LEDs, where the buttons turn red when a clip is playing. You know, the very thing that revolutionized how Robert uses Live. Yeah. One of those would be useful.

That would work for me.
I was even hinking i might drop the monomi peeps an email and see if there was a way for them to build some thing very simple in that regard.
Failing that,,
i also thought about buying a cheap midi controller and tearing out the note on switches to see if i couldn't cobble something together my self

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:20 pm

D K wrote:closest quick fix to the grid is the faderfox (not the same, but close)
pair that with the upcoming vestax mixer and you are close...i a mix and match kind of way....

You mean the LEDs by the buttons near the bottom of the Faderfox LC2? Do they illuminate when the clip is playing?

I went looking for the hardware & Live bundles on this here website but couldn't find 'em. Looks like they went to bye-bye village.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:22 pm

kabuki wrote:I bet there is a way to set up a Lemur to do all of that (Color Coding the icons per clip info) and it would cost a TON less than a Monodeck.

I bet that thing cost near $10k to produce.

I already got it working on a lemur.
There's only one function i'm still plotting out. Its getting Max to know if there is a clip on a slot or not.
Then one would only need to load the Liveset to program the LED Matrix display.
Live already provides a bit of feedback, so emulating the monodeck matrix is already possible. But you'll need to program your "song list" for the lemur.

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:48 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
kabuki wrote:I bet there is a way to set up a Lemur to do all of that (Color Coding the icons per clip info) and it would cost a TON less than a Monodeck.

I bet that thing cost near $10k to produce.
I already got it working on a lemur.
There's only one function i'm still plotting out. Its getting Max to know if there is a clip on a slot or not.
Then one would only need to load the Liveset to program the LED Matrix display.
Live already provides a bit of feedback, so emulating the monodeck matrix is already possible. But you'll need to program your "song list" for the lemur.

Not to be a douche, I think Lemurs are cool. But, the whole idea is to get away from screens.

Screens = bad
Lemur = screen

I hope you get that worked out though, Hoff. When you do I will likely lust for a Lemur.

It really seems like Novation should jump on this train. Hopefully they're already at work on it. The tool we all need seems like it could be realized with a multi-colored grid of buttons, with a little display screen above each button, like the strips they have going on the SL series. That way we can see the name of the clip, and know if it's playing or not. It'd be super cool if you could color code the buttons with the color you choose for the clip in session view.

Throw the usual fodder in there too. 8 bankable faders, a crossfader, utility buttons and some bankable infinite knobs and you have a winner.

From what I could sponge from COSM's video, the Cyc74 integration is going to improve the way Live sends info to and from controllers. The question is, if you want in on the party do you have to shell out $400 for for MAX/MSP? Methinks yes. But that's okay because they deserve some of the love. We're all sitting here wanting. They're all sitting there making. Seems right to me.

D K · Post by **D K** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:50 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:
You mean the LEDs by the buttons near the bottom of the Faderfox LC2? Do they illuminate when the clip is playing?

I went looking for the hardware & Live bundles on this here website but couldn't find 'em. Looks like they went to bye-bye village.

i meant this one, the lx2:
http://faderfox.de/html/lx2_product_page.html

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 6:55 pm

Sales Dude McBoob wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:
kabuki wrote:I bet there is a way to set up a Lemur to do all of that (Color Coding the icons per clip info) and it would cost a TON less than a Monodeck.

I bet that thing cost near $10k to produce.
I already got it working on a lemur.
There's only one function i'm still plotting out. Its getting Max to know if there is a clip on a slot or not.
Then one would only need to load the Liveset to program the LED Matrix display.
Live already provides a bit of feedback, so emulating the monodeck matrix is already possible. But you'll need to program your "song list" for the lemur.
Not to be a douche, I think Lemurs are cool. But, the whole idea is to get away from screens.

Screens = bad
Lemur = screen

I hope you get that worked out though, Hoff. When you do I will likely lust for a Lemur.

It really seems like Novation should jump on this train. Hopefully they're already at work on it. The tool we all need seems like it could be realized with a multi-colored grid of buttons, with a little display screen above each button, like the strips they have going on the SL series. That way we can see the name of the clip, and know if it's playing or not. It'd be super cool if you could color code the buttons with the color you choose for the clip in session view.

I look at it differently. I see the lemur as a prototyping device.
I got one at my disposal, but its not to integrate in my rig.
The way Robert uses Live seems appealing and this way i can "quickly" test it before anything gets built.

I got my eye on these or something similar: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/produc ... ts_id=7835#

The idea would be to get as much as possible from a grid of these. I'm not sure on the size of the grid yet. I'm going with 8x8 for starters.
So before anything gets soldered, I can try it on a screen...

Sales Dude McBoob · Post by **Sales Dude McBoob** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:03 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
Sales Dude McBoob wrote:
hoffman2k wrote: I already got it working on a lemur.
There's only one function i'm still plotting out. Its getting Max to know if there is a clip on a slot or not.
Then one would only need to load the Liveset to program the LED Matrix display.
Live already provides a bit of feedback, so emulating the monodeck matrix is already possible. But you'll need to program your "song list" for the lemur.
Not to be a douche, I think Lemurs are cool. But, the whole idea is to get away from screens.

Screens = bad
Lemur = screen

I hope you get that worked out though, Hoff. When you do I will likely lust for a Lemur.

It really seems like Novation should jump on this train. Hopefully they're already at work on it. The tool we all need seems like it could be realized with a multi-colored grid of buttons, with a little display screen above each button, like the strips they have going on the SL series. That way we can see the name of the clip, and know if it's playing or not. It'd be super cool if you could color code the buttons with the color you choose for the clip in session view.
I look at it differently. I see the lemur as a prototyping device.
I got one at my disposal, but its not to integrate in my rig.
The way Robert uses Live seems appealing and this way i can "quickly" test it before anything gets built.

I got my eye on these or something similar: http://www.sparkfun.com/commerce/produc ... ts_id=7835#

The idea would be to get as much as possible from a grid of these. I'm not sure on the size of the grid yet. I'm going with 8x8 for starters.
So before anything gets soldered, I can try it on a screen...

Good God man... don't let me interrupt your work. Please, get back to testing ASAP. Those things look cool. Work... oh yeah... I'm supposed to be doing that.

Tarekith · Post by **Tarekith** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:09 pm

Yeah, this is why things like the Faderfox will never work IMO, no visual feedback of what clips are in which row, and which are currently playing.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Mon Mar 03, 2008 7:13 pm

the sparkfun buttons are similar to the monome parts but they don't prevent 'ghosting' which is when certain combinations of buttons are pressed others can light up due to the way the grid is laid out.

but picking out buttons is like picking paint colors for the Titanic before actually building it.

anyone thinking they can make one for less than the cost of a Lemur and without months of tinkering and lots of swearing is sorely mistaken.

start small, grow from there. grab an Arduino board, see if you can just make an LED blink, then make it blink when you push a button, then get max and get max to control it. keep at it for a few months, drop at least $1k on it and in a year or two you'll be done and have a static, unchangeable large bit of gear. listen to Robert closely when he says it was tough to make.

+1 on just getting a Lemur. but if you're up to the challenge go for it, it'd be a great way to learn some electronics and software skills, if you don't want to make any music for a while.

LOL at getting someone to make it for you. I'll do it for $10k.