Repost of previous bleeding issue

kharless · Post by **kharless** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 2:23 pm

Greetings,

Well my life is settling down and I am getting in a groove being a father. Which means I have some additional time to devote back to music, yeah!

So I re-approached my issue with Ableton 6 and alas, I ran into the same problem.

Current hardware config:

IN: Guitar --> DR-880 --> (two separate channels) Yamaha MX12/4 Mixer (Rec Out) --> (Line1/2 In) Line6 Toneport UX-1 --> Ableton Live 6.0

OUT: Ableton Live --> Line6 Toneport UX1 (Line1/2 Out) --> (two separate channels) Yamaha MX12.4 Mixer

Observed problem. If I arm track 1 and record from the drum machine, everything is beautiful. If I arm track 2 I can see the meter bouncing to track 1's recorded audio. Yes I have checked that all mics (hooked to mixer and laptop built in are disabled). If I lower the faders on the mixer receiving the audio in from track 1, the signal goes away.

Anyone ever experience anything like this?

Kurt

d*cease · Post by **d*cease** » Tue Mar 04, 2008 8:07 pm

if i understand correctly, you want to record the drums and guitar seperate, correct? try panning the drums hard left, and the guitar hard right, this should seperate the two audio sources, although i am not sure if you can do this with the toneport, i know nothing about it, i imagine there is a way to seperate the stereo inputs into left and right channels, since it has a mic and guitar input. have you tried eliminating the mixer? seems redundant for what you want to do, i would plug the drum machine into the mic input, and the guitar into the guitar input, but don't let me tell you how to route your audio, i do redundant routing myself

kharless · Post by **kharless** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 2:38 pm

Well I figured it out and you were basically right. I removed the Analog outputs from the Toneport that were routed back to my mixer, which is what was causing the record loop issue. I moved my headphones to the headphone jack on the Toneport instead of the mixer. But now, I am getting a little tiny delay when playing since I am listening to the signal apparently post A/D converted and opposed to the direct signal from the mixer. Is this something everyone just lives with or is this the case of a USB 2.0 and 1.6 Mhz laptop not being fast enough? Also, I hear nothing unless I arm a track, which almost makes me believe that it is really having to go all the way back to the laptop and back to the A/D converter before I hear it in my headphones.

I wish I knew the proper way to hook up this hardware, I suspect there is a better way, anyone know of a resource that could help?

Current list of equipment:
Guitar - Parker Fly Classic
A/D - Toneport UX-1 (usb 2.0)
Mixer - Yamaha MX12/4
Amp - Mackie 1200
Laptop - Dell 1.6 Mhz, 1 Gb ram
Monitors - Yamaha 8" rams
Drum Machine - Boss DR-880
Effects - Boss DR-880, Digitech S-100, Digitech RP-6
Keyboard - Roland XP-80
Software - Live 6.0, Cakewalk Guitar Track 2.0, Jammer,
OS: XP Pro

I would love to be able to record stuff while listening through the monitors as opposed to listening to the headphones.

I like to split the stereo guitar to some effects and the acoustic pickups dry to the mixer, then blend the signal.

Really new to this stuff.

laird · Post by **laird** » Wed Mar 05, 2008 6:04 pm

Dude, you've got 4 busses on that mixer, right? USE THEM.

Don't plug the mixer main out into your toneport.

Do plug Sub-out 1/2 into your toneport.

This way, you can play back the drum track into your mixer, listen to it, and it'll get routed to the mains.
then you hook your mic up, route it to 1)main out and 2)sub 1/2 and record back into Live.

You will hear everything, but only the microphone will get recorded to track 2. Also, latency will not be an issue, as you can monitor directly (you may have to fix the small delay latency causes at the start of your recorded track manually, but this wont affect your performance)

two problems, one solution!

kharless · Post by **kharless** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 2:23 pm

It worked awesome.

I routed the IN as Guitar --> DR-880 --> track11/track12 (Group 1/2 (Bus?)) --> Toneport --> Laptop

I routed the OUT as Laptop --> Toneport (analog outs L/R) --> Track 8/9 (Group 3/4 (Bus?))

Now everything is working beautiful, my line levels don't seem to require any or much additional gain.

This rocks!!!!
Only took a year to figure out!

sweetjesus · Post by **sweetjesus** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 3:05 pm

based on your thread title i was going to suggest tampons.

laird · Post by **laird** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:35 pm

kharless wrote:It worked awesome.....This rocks!!!!
Only took a year to figure out!

Oh wait, I'm sorry, I forgot to mention that it's illegal to fix your problem with gear you already own. please go out and spend $500 at your nearest Guitar Center please.

Repost of previous bleeding issue

Repost of previous bleeding issue

DUDE thanks!

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