Dummy Clips Revisited Part 3

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:14 pm

In the past few years I've written many times about Dummy Clips. Every time a new version of Live arrives, it gets a little bit easier to use Dummy Clips. Now its time to have a look at Dummy Clips in Live 7. A small collection of videos will highlight many of the uses for Dummy Clips. We start with the basics and work our way up.

This may not be news to a lot of people. But it may be interesting as a refresher and a look on how new features in Live make things easier.

http://www.covops.org/index.php/Tips-an ... sited.html

sporkles · Post by **sporkles** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:43 pm

Excellent! Cheers

logic_user99 · Post by **logic_user99** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:43 pm

Oh, awesome! I've been wondering how to get this to work right...!

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:50 pm

Geek.

-M

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:51 pm

Just curious, why use an effects rack? what are the beneifts as opposed to simply modulating wet/dry in a regular serial FX chain on that 'dummy'track... I think I might be missing something... Either way, thanks, that gave me some good ideas for work today,

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:57 pm

Lo-Fi Massahkah · Post by **Lo-Fi Massahkah** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 5:58 pm

morerecords wrote:Just curious, why use an effects rack? what are the beneifts as opposed to simply modulating wet/dry in a regular serial FX chain on that 'dummy'track... I think I might be missing something... Either way, thanks, that gave me some good ideas for work today,

If you expand on this and make clip automation for, say, a rhytmic movement of the Redux effect. You could pass any clip through that automation. You could do build-ups, filter sweeps, tone in/out/deft over several bars...

edit: Sorry, I'm reading again and I'm not sure I understood your question allright.

sparklepuff · Post by **sparklepuff** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:17 pm

And there you have it, folks: Live's own in-house version of Effectrix.

Want to use it on the fly? Change the clips launch mode to Gate, no quantization, map some midi notes to the clips and fire away.

Save your $130.

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:29 pm

morerecords wrote:Just curious, why use an effects rack? what are the beneifts as opposed to simply modulating wet/dry in a regular serial FX chain on that 'dummy'track... I think I might be missing something... Either way, thanks, that gave me some good ideas for work today,

The "old way" required you to edit the dry/wet for all clips and effects you add.
Using an audio effect rack like described in the video ensures that all clips can have an effect with the least amount of automation possible.

Its simply "Dummy Clips: Anno 2008"

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 6:54 pm

ah ok- Man this is great. I usede to do something similar with hardware effects and an external hardware sequencer running in sync with my project. This is TEN times better.
one more question:
SO, I went ahead and assigned some of my "dummy clips" to drum pads and 'sequenced' out a pattern of rapidly changing effects by jamming in session view with my snap value set to none.. any way to 'quantize' those in the arrange view? They are smaller increments than 32 notes occasionally, it would be a real bitch to manually move them around in arrange view...
Many thanks

logic_user99 · Post by **logic_user99** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:05 pm

Just watched it. Fantastic! Cheers are due to The Hoff.

*runs off to play with Live*

filterdude · Post by **filterdude** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:12 pm

Great stuff! Looking forward to the next videos...

Actually... I wish covertoperators would do a full length "macprovideo"-style tutorial. All the other commercial tutorials cover the standard stuff. Covertoperators could show us the more creative and freaky stuff

cheeeeerz,

bert

www.filterheadz.com

hoffman2k · Post by **hoffman2k** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 7:16 pm

morerecords wrote:ah ok- Man this is great. I usede to do something similar with hardware effects and an external hardware sequencer running in sync with my project. This is TEN times better.
one more question:
SO, I went ahead and assigned some of my "dummy clips" to drum pads and 'sequenced' out a pattern of rapidly changing effects by jamming in session view with my snap value set to none.. any way to 'quantize' those in the arrange view? They are smaller increments than 32 notes occasionally, it would be a real bitch to manually move them around in arrange view...
Many thanks

I think that'll be video 3 or 4

Basically, you can record any sequence you play with these clips into arrangement view. Then select the whole sequence and consolidate it into 1 clip.
All the automation will still be contained within the consolidated clip.
3 sentence explanation, but it'll probably need a 3 minute video.

morerecords · Post by **morerecords** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:23 pm

Thanka again, just spent a few hours making a vcal do the wierdest things!

synnack · Post by **synnack** » Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:40 pm

sparklepuff wrote:And there you have it, folks: Live's own in-house version of Effectrix.

Want to use it on the fly? Change the clips launch mode to Gate, no quantization, map some midi notes to the clips and fire away.

Save your $130.

While what the hoffer has posted here and Ableton has provided is very powerful and cool, I wouldn't say it completely replaces what Effetrix can do. I can spend tons of time creating racks to try to emmulate the Effectrix effects, or I can just load Effectrix. It's much quicker to get something out of Effectrix than messing with chains and clip envelopes and racks and all that.

Plus, which Ableton "in-house" effect would do the tape stop type effect in a dummy clip situation?