is ReWire pointless ??

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is ReWire pointless ??

Post by BaRaKa Sound » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:32 am

say you're original music is coming from a slave such as reason, fl studio, or acid.

would recording it into live via rewire by merely recording from the slaves playback engine, thus making these recordings worse than actually rendering directly from say .. Fruityloops or Reason?

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Post by thefool » Fri Mar 07, 2008 10:34 am

thats not the point of rewire. I like to think at rewire as something that lets me play the reason instruments from live :)

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Post by michaellpenman » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:17 pm

yea have really missed the whole point of rewire

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Re: is ReWire pointless ??

Post by blank » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:18 pm

BaRaKa Sound wrote:say you're original music is coming from a slave such as reason, fl studio, or acid.

would recording it into live via rewire by merely recording from the slaves playback engine, thus making these recordings worse than actually rendering directly from say .. Fruityloops or Reason?
With rewire, it's the audio engine quality of the master that count.
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Post by thefool » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:22 pm

i am not so sure of that. you route the audio from the mixer in reason for example. Why would it not depend on both engines there? the sound is generated in reason first then transferred. its about how reason generate the sound!

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Post by blank » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:32 pm

What I'm telling is rewire is about sharing the same audio engine.

Sure the sound will still comes from reason but the master audio output will be the one of live ( for example ) and not the one from reason. This can make big difference.

With live 6 I was rewiring into protools to get advantage of the protools audio engine and the difference was there.

It's not like black and white but there is a difference.
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Post by thefool » Fri Mar 07, 2008 12:37 pm

okay, didn't know. Thanks :)

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Post by babkubwa » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:19 pm

hadn't bothered with it much the last few years since rebirth/cubase days ( looong time ago). Now I'm learning logic at uni - was struggling to get into it when I could do any task that much quicker in live. Was seeming like a real chore to tear myself away from familiarity -especially with the clunky logic timestretching

Just started rewiring live into logic and enjoying things much more - I use live to browse/create loops, then mangle them with clip envelopes and lives own effects,

then route everything through logics mixer and take advantage of the nice reverbs and dynamic effects. Also starting to like logic for its own instruments and the midi editing. & the curved automation! loving that on the arrange page.

I used to dislike the idea of switching between screens as if I'd just confuse myself unnecessarily, but now realize its not the case at all. So easy to just take the best parts of everything and not compromise

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Re: is ReWire pointless ??

Post by noisetonepause » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:41 pm

BaRaKa Sound wrote:would recording it into live via rewire by merely recording from the slaves playback engine, thus making these recordings worse than actually rendering directly from say .. Fruityloops or Reason?
Why would there be any difference in quality?
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Post by noisetonepause » Fri Mar 07, 2008 1:43 pm

blank wrote:Sure the sound will still comes from reason but the master audio output will be the one of live ( for example ) and not the one from reason. This can make big difference.
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Post by popslut » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:22 pm

blank wrote:What I'm telling is rewire is about sharing the same audio engine.

Sure the sound will still comes from reason but the master audio output will be the one of live ( for example ) and not the one from reason. This can make big difference.

With live 6 I was rewiring into protools to get advantage of the protools audio engine and the difference was there.

It's not like black and white but there is a difference.
Total rubbish.

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Post by dodgyedgy » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:25 pm

REwire is wicked. rather REwire2, makes the whole process of creation easier. esp since we should all now have machines that are capable of multiple programs.
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Post by Yhtomit » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:40 pm

With Spaces, Rewire is pretty cool. Also, I love how you could rewire Reason to about any host application and dont see a slightest change in the Activity Monitor/ task manager

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Post by leedsquietman » Fri Mar 07, 2008 3:53 pm

Rewire is good but has some fundamental flaws such as 2 apps sucking a lot of CPU juice especially with low latency applied and lots of rewire channels being used simultaneously. (if your just routing the stereo L/R mix or 3-4 seperate audio channels, no sweat but it doesn't take a lot more than this to start really eating into the computer resources). It is also not great on the MIDI side of things, whichever apps I';ve tried (Cubase>Reason, Cubase>Live, Logic 7>Reason, Logic 7>Live, Protools>Fruityloops or whatever), the latency on the returning audio from a MIDI channel with a sound device *say an nnxt channel in reason* can sometimes be a PITA to get right.

Depending on what you need, you can also render loops and import the audio loops into your main sequencer (i.e. Live). Although if this runs to multiple parts on multiple tracks, then that is more of an inconvenience than running Rewire, so long as your computer can handle it.

I usually record the incoming rewire audio into Live audio tracks anyway and then dispense with the rewire slave app.
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Post by Yhtomit » Fri Mar 07, 2008 4:07 pm

i dont have those issues. never had really

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