New track. Justice ripoff.

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Sivle
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Post by Sivle » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:15 pm

Thanks. Vanilla just might do the trick. Or I'll pony up and finally upgrad to L7 . Any tips for the piano? I foolishly rendered it with the hard eq cuts in the lowend. Antress Analoger and Waves Stereo widener helped give some girth but...meh. Not totally feelin it.

drb
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Re: New track. Justice ripoff.

Post by drb » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:55 pm

Sivle wrote:It's about 80% done. Still needs fills and better arrangement but I think the thrust is there.
It needs a tiny bit of polish to be truly releasable, but the bottom line is that it's a great "song". That's very hard to do, and you've done a great job here.

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Post by rakshas » Thu Mar 13, 2008 5:59 pm

As somebody who is still figuring the ins and outs of ableton, I would love to learn more about how you went about creating this. Could you post your live set (or send it to me privately) so I could play around with it. I'm especially curious how you went about creating about the *shoop*basskick sound.

Sivle
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Post by Sivle » Thu Mar 13, 2008 7:06 pm

Wow thanks drb. I think I'm getting the hang of mixing. Last couple of tracks I have been working on are starting to sound decent.I can send you a screen shot of the Live project, rakshas, but its not much to look at. All of the music was written in Live but it was arranged in Nuendo. I can send you a screen shot of that project too but its not gonna help you with Live! I'm slowly starting to get comfy with arranger view but primarily still prefer to compose and sequence in Live, then dump the rendered parts into Nuendo. Comfort thing I guess. The kick is actually two different kicks that are layered then bussed to their own channel. The first is a quick, punchy sorta rock kick with a shelf around 125 hz. The second is a 909 that has a 24db Karma FX eq on it cutting off most everything from 95hz and up. Then the kick bus has an Antress 1176 compressor inserted on it with a pretty slow attack and I think a 2:1 ratio. Release is pretty quick. The main thing I think that makes the lowend work is that the kick and bass stay out of each others way. On this track the bass "sits"on the kick, which is something I have trouble with all the time. Soloing just the kick bus and the bass track and eqing/compressing til you get them to meld is a big help for me. My big problem is typically choosing kicks and basses that are too close in their freqs. Decide what you want on the bottom and keep the other one from stepping on its frequencies. Or just key your kick to sidechain the shit out of your bass track.

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Post by Sivle » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:56 am

I think the answer is NO but does anyone know of any way to do clip specific effect applications in Live? Arranger view maybe? This project is winding up and Nuendo is buggy as hell with MIDI. I really want to bounce all my tracks back into Live to complete it but without being able to isolate clips and apply effects on a clip by clip basis I don't think it's gonna be the best way to work.

Sivle
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Post by Sivle » Sat Mar 15, 2008 5:06 am

Effect application on a clip....not a channel. Possible with Live?

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Post by Cervantes » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:33 am

ahh shucks seeing as we're on the disco-ish tip, all this was done in live too.

www.myspace.com/twodollarhooker

couldn't resist. :roll:

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Post by drb » Sat Mar 15, 2008 6:46 am

Sivle wrote:Effect application on a clip....not a channel. Possible with Live?
fx are on a channel or the master. that's it.

although drum racks allow a more flexible way, but still not really "per clip".

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Post by Sivle » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:11 pm

drb wrote:
Sivle wrote:Effect application on a clip....not a channel. Possible with Live?
fx are on a channel or the master. that's it.

although drum racks allow a more flexible way, but still not really "per clip".
Well maybe Live 8 will offer clip fx modding in arranger view. It would be nice to right click on a clip, select an effect and then render the effected clip as a new version. It's not exactly non-destructive but it opens up alot of possibilities. That's almost exclusively how I work in Nuendo and have a hard time using Live to work out a song from start to finish without it. 99.9% of the time I export to Nuendo near the end.

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