I want This...

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:10 pm

hoffman2k wrote:
beats me wrote:
hoffman2k wrote:Mackie Control was a good concept. But what has Mackie done to improve it ever since? Nada...
What is wrong or needs to be updated in Mackie Control?
Its focused on mixing. Which isn't a bad thing.. But I still need my mouse in Live.
Mackie Control was never intended for Live, its just a cute bonus that you can have "some" of the Mackie Control functionality in Live.

I've determined that I am more of a mixer than an effects noodler and a lot of the new controllers coming out seem to be geared towards effects noodling and away from what I want to do with a controller.

I think one of my next big purchases will be that Mackie mix desk, don't know the model but I think it's The control desk, and you can add those other modules to expand it. I think one module is just for effects but while affordable compared to other mix desks I don't think the intention is to bring it into a live setting. Still wish they had per channel EQ knobs though. I'm assuming that maybe the knobs along the top map to the EQ for a selected channel, but still not ideal for when you want to EQ several channels at once. I think you could get way more accomplished with that kind of instant access.

j_ursa · Post by **j_ursa** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:14 pm

This thing looks hype, but I was an early adopter of the Yamaha 01X and received a bad enough case of burnt asshole syndrome to steer clear of an all in one mixer/soundcard solution for life. Or until the bugs are worked out of the newest fandagledest - whatever that might be, or whenever that might occur...

All things taken into consideration and all that - O1X and the like are great if they work with your system (perhaps excellent just for the mixer/recall for what they go for used these days), but for me... massive headache.

As far as grooveboxes go I still have an RS7000 that I can't manage to part with. It's great with external synths, has some decent effects and unexpectedly nice filters. Good sequencer, and midi delay, but overall the box is fairly uninspiring and serves as a top notch dust bunny farm these days. Run free little dust bunnies... run... free!!! A little more time and the free range dust bunny farm just might hit ebay. Dun da na.

I'm basically echoing the sentiment that so called all-in-ones are not all that.

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:33 pm

Its funny reading threads like this in this and cubase forums alongside otehr thread in the same forums from people bashing PT for some reason or another.

This seems to me to be *the* big difference - you can get decent and perfectly intergrated console type control surfaces for PT, but everything that is in the financial reach of the likes of us just seems to try and be a jack of all trades and ends up being a master of none.

I guess the real question is do the DAW companies care - obviously not as they would have done something about it. i hate to mention reason in this context, but actuallyy it seems to me they have probably made more headway in this home studio space than anyone. Ive heard good thing about the latest Sonar versions too - but I dont use it so dont really know.

All I knowis the too applications i use the most seem to be beset by poor generic control options.

Live#'s remote is wicked once you have set it up for controlling a *specific* collection of clips and racks etc, but I find its geric remotte control to be bordering on senseless.

Even cubase appears to only now be willing to do it now there is a direct p[ercentage in it for them and their parent company - ie that new yamaha/steinberg mini control srurface hack - but its still not something with 24+channels of faders and knobs to conver a useful EQ/dynamics section.

And to be fair, its easy to have a poke at DAW companies over this - FFS how many compressor plugs are there on the market that *all* have attack/release/threshold/ratio and in and out gain as core controls? Has anyone tried to come up with some standard parameter number of this lot to make controller integration easy? Or the same for the myriad of PEQs, reverbs, delays and good knows what other classes of plug with near identical function core controls?

No - conclusion - good generic user interaction just isnt on the ajenda, all comppanies want to invent their own damn thing (because they would hate anyone else to be accepted as being better at anything else than them...) and yet wont throw the time at it either - Grrrr!!!

I think it would be pretty easy to fix this mess if anyone in the industy actually cared enough about it.

Khazul · Post by **Khazul** » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:35 pm

j_ursa wrote:This thing looks hype, but I was an early adopter of the Yamaha 01X and received a bad enough case of burnt asshole syndrome to steer clear of an all in one mixer/soundcard solution for life

I have to admit - there is no way in hell I would buy another 01x/i88x from any company that doesnt have a very good history of support and not just deciding to discontinue and end support out of blue just because they couldnt be arsed to write 64 bit drivers.

Actually - after this I am really nervous about buying any expensive audio interface from anyone.