leedsquietman wrote:Jeepers, you call yourself Ableton junkie, indicating a love for the program, then all you do is cry and whine about it... Maybe jumping off the bandwagon to something else is for the best.

While it has some excellent and innovative features (Which have drawn me into using the application), the more I've used it the more I've discovered it's basic flaws when doing the most simple operations. I've named the most important two above.
No CC control through VSTi plugins.
No "basic" CC, pitch bend and modulation wheel envelopes on the arrangement view.
Those are BASIC functions to me.
They are absolute sequencer necessities.
They are available in just about every other sequencer on the market.
They have been available in those sequencers for MANY, MANY years.
Most importantly, there is no godly reason on earth for those features to be omitted.
But yes your right. I'm off the bandwagon. Because I favour basic routing and functionality over gizmo's I "like" but can do without in favour of a sequencer I know I can trust does those things.
I'll return to Ableton if those features are ever adopted, but like AlexG says, it's not looking very likely. I don't want what I "can" do to be limited by bad implementation, or become so complicated a work around that it's not worth me doing it in the first place. Ableton = Limitations. See ya.