Let's all contemplate Fruity Loops

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 10:59 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:
Tweaking Knobs wrote:Fl actually has many many features live dont , the only things fl dont have from live is , realtime elastique TS and PS , session view and not much more...
you don't know Live at all.

sorry man, but that's hilarious. I don't know FL but Live goes much deeper than that. between us we know nothing and everything.
Wow? that's a logical fallacy you know? if you do not know Fruity Loops, then you can't judge if it does or doesn't indeed only miss the features he says it does.

I'm not saying you're wrong with your conclusion, but it's not based on fact, that's all. Tweaking Knobs is possibly right, and possibly wrong, but if he indeed knows both apps inside and out, it's far more likely he's right.

Saying all that though I have a hunch that you're right.

*sigh* waaaay ahead of you.

I wrote:between us we know nothing and everything.

I know there's more to Live that's unique than that. how about Follow Actions?? I can guess on some other features, not worth it.

lunabass · Post by **lunabass** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:03 pm

Tone Deft wrote: you don't know Live at all.

sorry man, but that's hilarious. I don't know FL but Live goes much deeper than that. between us we know nothing and everything.

"curious"

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:26 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
Machinesworking wrote: *sigh* waaaay ahead of you.
I wrote:between us we know nothing and everything.
I know there's more to Live that's unique than that. how about Follow Actions?? I can guess on some other features, not worth it.

Except for of course the fact that Follow actions are a feature of Session View!

Basically, you can refute a claim by somebody claiming more knowledge than you, but to tell them they don't know your favorite program well enough to judge, when you have no clue about the program they're comparing to is a logical fallacy. Doesn't meen I don't agree with you though, but come up with something that isn't part of Session View, he already stated that Session View was unique to Live.

My guess, and I really can't be sure of this because I don't know FL well enough is that the bussing in Live is more complete.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:39 pm

let's not give the troll a 2 for 1.

headquest · Post by **headquest** » Tue Mar 25, 2008 11:52 pm

Plus...

Freeze... (FL doesn't have it)
Automatic PDC (FL doesn't have it)
Decent linear audio recording (FL doesn't have it)
Good automatic MIDI controller mapping (Fl doesn't have it)
Gapless audio engine (Fl doesn't have that either)
64-bit mixing and POWR dithering (guess what...)
etc.............

stonee · Post by **stonee** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:59 am

headquest wrote:Plus...

Freeze... (FL doesn't have it)
Automatic PDC (FL doesn't have it)
Decent linear audio recording (FL doesn't have it)
Good automatic MIDI controller mapping (Fl doesn't have it)
Gapless audio engine (Fl doesn't have that either)
64-bit mixing and POWR dithering (guess what...)
etc.............

even though I'm a huge ableton fan,

unless your not working with audio, theres not real benifit to ableton over FL.

for straight up mid programing softsynths, both programs can do the same thing, at about the same level of diffuculty.

however, if you want to get into recording, or using hardware synths, FL is pretty much useless.

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:33 am

lunabass wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: you don't know Live at all.

sorry man, but that's hilarious. I don't know FL but Live goes much deeper than that. between us we know nothing and everything.
"curious"

nice, very nice

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:01 am

Geezus wrote:Also note that Fruity allows automation beyond the 128 parameter mark, has WAY better midi editing, curved automation, custom lfos, and crazy envelope controllers.

+1

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 4:09 am

...live...RENOISE...reaper (on the desktop comp strictly to record sessions...)

tooo much already...
no need for FL... although it's a nice toy.

six_o_clock_crow · Post by **six_o_clock_crow** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:46 am

Apologies if I've missed someone else making this point but the difference between FL Studio and Live is... well, that Live is optimised for live performance.

Sounds obvious but you try setting up a live performance in FL that is as flexible as Live. For me, you can't do this. I have used FL on and off since version 3.5 and the one thing it proudly proclaims is easy use of MIDI controllers. However, it has always (in my experience) had a problem with handling lots of MIDI controller data all at once. Adjusting more than a couple of parameters at a time has always caused the programme to stop.

I have started really getting into Live since I saw that Robert Henke seminar video (link was posted on the forum a little while back.) The potential for 'live synthesis' has really got me going. So, while I agree that for non-audio work FL is flexible, Live is for me still preferable in a live setting.

Also, the FL 'live mode' where you can trigger patterns isn't as powerful as Live's clip/scene options and there isn't the same ability to edit that performance afterwards like there is with Live's two 'views.'

I think sometimes when Live gets compared to other programmes/DAW's the very essence of Live gets forgotten - i.e. it is a performance tool. Yes, Live is expensive, but then nothing else can do what it does in such an accessible way.

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:52 am

six_o_clock_crow wrote: I think sometimes when Live gets compared to other programmes/DAW's the very essence of Live gets forgotten - i.e. it is a performance tool. Yes, Live is expensive, but then nothing else can do what it does in such an accessible way.

while I agree with a lot of what you said, I think the reason Live gets compared is because a lot of people are using Live as a DAW and Ableton keep adding DAW features yet not fixing or adding certain things that would help Live use immensely - such as selecting devices via MIDI/KEY for automapping to give one example

anyway....I just got the email FL8 has just been released

six_o_clock_crow · Post by **six_o_clock_crow** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:46 pm

I think the reason Live gets compared is because a lot of people are using Live as a DAW and Ableton keep adding DAW features yet not fixing or adding certain things that would help Live use immensely

Forge, I totally agree.

I have come to Live for performance options I can't get elsewhere. I am new to Live... well, I've tinkered with demo's but couldn't work out a way of using it that worked for me, until recently (thanks for the inspiration, Mr Henke!)

Apologies if I'm covering something that has come up before, and I'm not intending to have a go at Ableton. But looking at reviews of previous versions from magazines/online you can see that the main focus has been adding DAW features. I hope version 8 redresses the balance because it would be a shame for Live's core 'unique selling point' to get lost.

forge · Post by **forge** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:53 pm

six_o_clock_crow wrote:it would be a shame for Live's core 'unique selling point' to get lost.

+1

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:01 pm

slicedbread wrote:i'd have a nerdgasm

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:22 pm

just passing through the imageline forums and seems like someone commented deadmau5 switched DAW due to some complaints of a "hidden limiter", like there was talk about in live some time ago.