Un Fuckin Believable! Direct Note Access!

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Un Fuckin Believable! Direct Note Access!

Post by Abzurd » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:17 am

Check out this video!

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna

Later

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Post by cope » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:26 am

Someone should make THIS http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... t=celemony post a sticky :?

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Re: Un Fuckin Believable! Direct Note Access!

Post by nf0 » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:52 am

Abzurd wrote:Check out this video!

http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna

Later

ABZurd

WELCOME TO TWO WEEKS AGO!!! :!: :idea: :roll: :arrow:

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Post by Abzurd » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:05 am

Do'h!

Well excuse me 4 having a life & findin about it now.

Oh well.

Thanks 4 the link to the previous post Cope.
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melodyne islooks good...

Post by mcBOB » Fri Mar 28, 2008 12:21 pm

melodyne looks good...

Ive been working with it round my mates last night. He got his copy yesterday and how excited was he.

As it turns out it is very fiddly and not so easy as the afore mentioned video. We (me and my mate) have not seen any much benefits of using this with live. Perhaps with more time and understanding of the program then this will change, We were chopping beats and instruments no bother and even managed to tune a vocal but that was about exciting as a .... And if you want to use it for polyphony seperation then you have to get melodyne 3.1 studio.

This cannot as some people think split vocals from songs.

If you have money and more time on your hands then go for it. Im not here to tell people to get it or not. Lets just says at 4am this morning it get put of with still nothing done. :)

Anyway thats all i wanted to say. :D

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Re: melodyne islooks good...

Post by Angstrom » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:02 pm

mcBOB wrote: if you want to use it for polyphony seperation then you have to get melodyne 3.1 studio.
oh please.
wrong wrong wrong wrong.

the polyphonic version isn't out yet ... and won;t be out for months. It is NOT IN ANY CURRENT VERSION.
makes me laugh the amount of people who have rushed out to get the mono version based on the recent hype and then tried to coment on how it works !!
please read very carefully.
Q: When will Direct Note Access be available?

A: Direct Note Access will be available for the first time in Version 2 of Melodyne plugin, where the emphasis will be upon the correction of polyphonic signals. Melodyne plugin 2 is due for release in the fall of 2008. The full version will cost 349 Euro/399 US$. The update from Version 1 will cost 129 €/129 US$. Customers purchasing Melodyne plugin after the 12th March 2008 will receive the update free of charge.

Naturally Direct Note Access will also be available in the large multi-track versions of Melodyne i.e. Melodyne cre8 and Melodyne studio, where the musical possibilities will be far-reaching. However no concrete release date has yet been set.
http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna_qa&L=0

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Post by Nokatus » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:18 pm

Abzurd wrote:Well excuse me 4 having a life & findin about it now.
Well excuse me, but Direct Note Access is bigger than life.

8)

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Post by penningt » Fri Mar 28, 2008 2:19 pm

Melodyne Studio 3.2 already has some 'polyphonic' capabilty. It can do several things with polyphonic material that can't be done the other products (cre8 etc).

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Post by Abzurd » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:20 pm

If it's possible to rearrange chords with this type of technology I wonder how hard it would be to separate the individual instruments from a song or sample.

That's what I'm hoping this leads to in the future.

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Post by Ajbbklyn » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:36 pm

If two instruments are playing the same note concurrently, DNA cannot differentiate between the voices - it picks up on individual notes. However, on clean recordings where there is sufficient divergence between the melodies and countermelodies, the software is supposed to be able to pick out the individual notes, regardless of voice. So, for instance: a horn solo over an acoustic guitar - you could conceivably leave the solo unaltered, but rearrange the underlying chord structure of the guitar.

The video at the Celemony site and the one from Musikmesse utilize carefully selected recordings to highlight the technology. Even so, this is some mind-blowing stuff.
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Post by Khazul » Fri Mar 28, 2008 7:42 pm

Guess someone has been living in a cave...
Nothing to see here - move along!

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Post by pulsoc » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:58 pm

Nokatus wrote:
Abzurd wrote:Well excuse me 4 having a life & findin about it now.
Well excuse me, but Direct Note Access is bigger than life.

8)
You both raise compelling arguments. Please continue

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Re: melodyne islooks good...

Post by mcBOB » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:20 pm

oh please.
wrong wrong wrong wrong.

the polyphonic version isn't out yet ... and won;t be out for months. It is NOT IN ANY CURRENT VERSION.
makes me laugh the amount of people who have rushed out to get the mono version based on the recent hype and then tried to coment on how it works !!
please read very carefully.


Q: When will Direct Note Access be available?
How wrong you are. Im looking at the screen ortions now. It asks what detection to make options are :

melodic
percussicve or
polyphonic


So shut the fuck shoutin about shit you aint got Twat!

I was going try anf link an image here to prove it but why bother when its a blowhard like you.[/img]

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Re: melodyne islooks good...

Post by Machinate » Fri Mar 28, 2008 9:25 pm

mcBOB wrote:
oh please.
wrong wrong wrong wrong.

the polyphonic version isn't out yet ... and won;t be out for months. It is NOT IN ANY CURRENT VERSION.
makes me laugh the amount of people who have rushed out to get the mono version based on the recent hype and then tried to coment on how it works !!
please read very carefully.


Q: When will Direct Note Access be available?
How wrong you are. Im looking at the screen ortions now. It asks what detection to make options are :

melodic
percussicve or
polyphonic


So shut the fuck shoutin about shit you aint got Twat!

I was going try anf link an image here to prove it but why bother when its a blowhard like you.[/img]
you're right, there is a "polyphonic mode" now, but it can't treat notes individually. The problem is that the discussion is about the DNA mode, and that one Won't be out for months. So you're both right... or wrong. "[/img"

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Post by Angstrom » Fri Mar 28, 2008 11:28 pm

yes, I was talking about DNA, the subject of the thread.you know - The polyphonic separation mode.
As it turns out it is very fiddly and not so easy as the afore mentioned video. We (me and my mate) have not seen any much benefits of using this with live. Perhaps with more time and understanding of the program then this will change, We were chopping beats and instruments no bother and even managed to tune a vocal but that was about exciting as a .... And if you want to use it for polyphony seperation then you have to get melodyne 3.1 studio.This cannot as some people think split vocals from songs.
hmmm, so bit of revisionism maybe?
mentioning splitting vocals from songs in a thread about DNA and saying that it isn't as easy as the video and then having a little tantrum are we?

If you want to go for a redefine of the thread topic then feel free.
provide pictures and swear words for extra convincingness

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