BCF2000 SuperGurus I need your help!

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Re: BCF2000 SuperGurus I need your help!

Post by Illbay » Mon Mar 17, 2008 5:33 pm

Pasha wrote:Thanks to the posts here I learned pretty quickly how to use the MC-Cubase Mackie Emulation with Live and it's amazing.
I'm curious. I just bought the BCF2000 (but it has not yet been delivered) in part because it is listed as an option for Control Surfaces within Live 7. Yet I'm still reading about "emulation."

Why are the in-built settings for the BCF2000 not sufficient?

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Re: BCF2000 SuperGurus I need your help!

Post by dys4ik » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:37 pm

Illbay wrote:
Pasha wrote:Thanks to the posts here I learned pretty quickly how to use the MC-Cubase Mackie Emulation with Live and it's amazing.
I'm curious. I just bought the BCF2000 (but it has not yet been delivered) in part because it is listed as an option for Control Surfaces within Live 7. Yet I'm still reading about "emulation."

Why are the in-built settings for the BCF2000 not sufficient?
It seems that the faders don't have the motorized control without the mackie emulation.

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Post by dys4ik » Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:48 pm

I'm going to sneak in a related question here.

Does anyone know how to control the MASTER fader with the mackie emu mode?

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Post by longjohns » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:52 am

There is no master fader control in the behringer emulation.

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Post by longjohns » Tue Mar 18, 2008 1:53 am

which is kind of dumb. they could have easily tacked it on to the sends page..

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Post by dys4ik » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:15 am

I was hoping it would be something easy like that. Booo!

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Re: BCF2000 SuperGurus I need your help!

Post by Pasha » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:15 am

dys4ik wrote:
Illbay wrote:
Pasha wrote:Thanks to the posts here I learned pretty quickly how to use the MC-Cubase Mackie Emulation with Live and it's amazing.
I'm curious. I just bought the BCF2000 (but it has not yet been delivered) in part because it is listed as an option for Control Surfaces within Live 7. Yet I'm still reading about "emulation."

Why are the in-built settings for the BCF2000 not sufficient?
It seems that the faders don't have the motorized control without the mackie emulation.
Faders are always motorized, even after Ableton Native Instant Mapping.
Simply Mackie Emulation can control more.

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Post by Pasha » Tue Mar 18, 2008 9:17 am

dys4ik wrote:I was hoping it would be something easy like that. Booo!
I'll post that tonight ( I had a problem yesterday.... I was so tired that I fell asleep as soon as I arrived at home.....)

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Post by dys4ik » Tue Mar 18, 2008 2:19 pm

Pasha wrote:
dys4ik wrote:I was hoping it would be something easy like that. Booo!
I'll post that tonight ( I had a problem yesterday.... I was so tired that I fell asleep as soon as I arrived at home.....)

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- Pasha :oops:
So, could we create a custom profile that would ass the master fader to the returns page (maybe the far right fader--how many people use 8 returns?) and otherwise include all the settings of the mackie emu?

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Post by Pasha » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:25 pm

dys4ik wrote:
Pasha wrote:
dys4ik wrote:I was hoping it would be something easy like that. Booo!
I'll post that tonight ( I had a problem yesterday.... I was so tired that I fell asleep as soon as I arrived at home.....)

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- Pasha :oops:
So, could we create a custom profile that would ass the master fader to the returns page (maybe the far right fader--how many people use 8 returns?) and otherwise include all the settings of the mackie emu?
No. You have to cancel from your mind Behringer MCU emulation first.
Mackie Control has more keys than a BCF2000. But the basics are very easy to explain:

You have 8 Faders and 8 V-Pots that work both as Knobs and Push buttons.
Additionally you have a separate Master Fader. There are some buttons (i.e. Pan,Sends, Instrument, Flip) that control the way V-Pots are mapped and the Page displayed. Bank/Channel buttons are also present to help you 'page' thru tracks beyond 8. V-Pots follow the track assignment of the last bank/channel pressed.
For example if you select Track 1 and then 'Send' button, your 8 V-Pots (that are defaulted to control Pan) now control Sends, if you have more than eight you can page thru them using the page buttons. So you cannot create an 'Hybrid' knobs configuration, it won't work, by design. If you press 'Instrument' all your knobs represent a Virtual Device on that Track and if you press the relevant one you enter Instrument edit mode and you have to use Page + or - to page through the parameters. If you had Chorus Reverb e Compressor in a track and you would press V-pot number 2 you could edit all reverb parameters.
I have leveraged the encoders group aboard BCF2000 so that one group acts as the original Mackie V-pots while the other won't thus I have remapped a V-pot to be Master Channel. I have also tried to program faders 1-7 as faders, and fader 8 as Master but with no success. When you bank to reach tracks 8 and beyond the control gets messy. 8 faders = 8 tracks that's the way it works. What I have tried to do is:

1- Eliminate any need to use both hands or fingers in unnatural position to use shift-key combinations
2- All must be operated using one hand
3- Reduce the functionalities back to the basics:
Volume/Pan/Send/Instrument/Master Control,
Select/Mute/Solo/Record
Fire Clip/Scene, Record in Arrangement, Play,Stop

I'm happy with my work even if for BCF2000 limitation when not in Mackie Emulation you can't have LED rings feedback on the V-Pots when in Pan/Send/Instrument mode. The downside of it is that I had to use every button on the BCF2000 so that I cannot edit or change presets anymore.
BCF accepts Program Changes so you can change from Live which probably won't do in a Live Performance situation.... but I do not perform Live at the moment. :roll:

- Hope this helps
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Post by Pasha » Tue Mar 18, 2008 8:00 pm

Download here :

http://www.savefile.com/files/1448485

Enjoy

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Post by dys4ik » Wed Mar 19, 2008 1:51 am

Pasha wrote:Download here :

http://www.savefile.com/files/1448485

Enjoy

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Thanks, I'll check it out and throw you some feedback.

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Post by robocop » Fri Mar 28, 2008 8:35 am

Pasha wrote:Download here :

http://www.savefile.com/files/1448485

Enjoy

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- Pasha
I really really like your preset, NICE!
But I can't save it on the bcf2000, I use Sysex librarian to load it, but without the store button when I turn off the bcf it disapear and bcedit won't load it.I tried to program change from ableton but it didn't work.

EDIT:Sysex import works with winxp

Nice work :wink:

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Post by Meef Chaloin » Sun Mar 30, 2008 9:02 pm

Pasha wrote:Download here :

http://www.savefile.com/files/1448485

Enjoy

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- Pasha
have to say thanks very much for this, its incredible. Is there a version anywhere that edits the encoder acceleration though? Ive been looking at this - http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... sc&start=0 and trying to do the hex hack but ive got no idea what im doing with it.

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Post by Friedrich » Tue Apr 01, 2008 3:06 pm

Thanx man, excellent stuff!!!!!

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