Olga wrote:Machinesworking wrote:Olga wrote:
Oh brother. I'm an atheist and even I know thats a load of crap taken out of context.
This sort of debate tactic, along with calling me a "bitch" in your first post directed at me pretty much sums up why you aren't worth debating with. You're not interested in conversation, it's all sensationalist posing. I'm off to work on music, I suggest you become an accountant or some other hobby more suited to binary thinking.
Yes, I called you a bitch in response to
your saying to me (unprovoked)
Wow? You're not very bright are you?
I happen to have my masters degree. Do you have one of those oh all intelligent demigod? Get over yourself.
Look, you call yourself an atheist, but if you are, then all i can attribute your seeming tolerance of western christianity VS total intolerance of islam to is regional national pride, which I don't think is a very intelligent position. You posted a ration of adjectives attributing all problems the west has with the middle east down to islam. You posted videos with recently converted muslims who are now christian talking smack about their former religion....... atheist you say?
Here's some fun stuff.
http://www.evilbible.com/Murder.htm
this is the passage that bothered me.
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=3JQj31V4I ... re=related
There are plenty more. All religions carry a convert or die/rot in hell attitude at some point in their doctrine, and fundamentalism of all kinds is ugly. It's very obvious to me that fundamentalism grew recently (last 80 odd years) when our concerns for middle eastern sweet crude oil convinced the west that direct manipulation of middle eastern politics was necessary. I find it almost funny that people try to deny this, it's sad really. There is a history of cooperation between muslim and christian nations, but people tend to overlook that when they want to portray muslims as intolerant psychos, hundreds of years of relatively peaceful trade, but hey, they are nut job psychos with no tolerance etc...
Lastly, I'm an atheist through and through, I wasn't raised by christians, or really religious people of any kind. I have little or no hatred towards religion. When you look at history with characters like Stalin wasting millions as cruelly as religious governments did, you realize that religion isn't the problem, it's people.
Again, I think it's important in every case with every situation where people are driven to acts of violence with seemingly dismal odds against them, it's important to ask yourself why, and as an atheist I find it almost shocking that you and others who claim that title run right to religion as the problem. Religion is always the cover up to the the issue.
Q: How do you get Afghani people to throw grenades at Tanks? It's almost certain death?
A: Fundamentalism
Q: How do you get christians to go to war?
A: Paint the enemy out to be cultish psychos.
Anyway I feel this is all falling on deaf ears, and it's why I opted to work on material. No matter how educated you say you are, you've decided to hate on middle eastern people who are muslim, and in doing so will ignore willingly the simple fact that no matter if they showed a thousand videos of beheadings it wouldn't add up to the piles of Iraqi civilian dead bodies killed by our military. Somehow that simple fact fails to carry any weight when the military in question is on 'your side', I'll never understand that.
The ability to look at a situation from outside your own perspective. I would give anything to see people achieve this on a global level, but people want an enemy, a black and white situation. Movie that everybody should watch IMO is The Control Room. There are a few scenes in there where muslim, and middle eastern journalists talk about the Iraq situation that sum it up to IMO.
Back to music....>
