Remote SL: "ableton is offline"

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Tue Apr 01, 2008 6:17 pm

eric.mould wrote:I have not tried that; not even heard of that option. Thanks; will try tonight.

Regards,

Eric

@Ableton: Known Issues List please! Or at least some README.TXT that is displayed upon installation of new Updates that points people to the most common issues.

This stupid MME/Directmusic stuff is happening since Beta and Ableton still is not able to let their users know that DirectMusic is broken at the moment and that most USB Midi controllers are better used with MME anyway. This is getting ridiculous, especially when you thing about how easily these recurring posts about the same problem could be avoided.

Damian · Post by **Damian** » Wed Apr 02, 2008 9:46 am

Yeh, I expect it will fix it. It's not made easerly available. Live 7 simply doesn't work with Automap without these settings. Best of luck.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:18 am

arrrr... this is so frustrating. I had it working and I stupidly updated to 7.0.3 and now I can't get my Novation to work at all. No MIDI clock out either. I stupidly deleted 7.02. Anyone know where I might find that version? I need to downgrade until Ableton fixes things.

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zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Fri Apr 04, 2008 4:25 am

arrrr... this is so frustrating. I had it working and I stupidly updated to 7.0.3 and now I can't get my Novation to work at all. No MIDI clock out either. I stupidly deleted 7.02. Anyone know where I might find that version? I need to downgrade until Ableton fixes things.

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zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Mon Apr 07, 2008 4:49 am

For fun I tried Automap 2 in Live 7.0.3. Guess what? Doesn't work at all!

M

Edit: I shouldn't have said it didn't work at all. I can totally use my Automapped plug ins. I just can't get it to control Live like it used to.

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Wheelie · Post by **Wheelie** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 3:03 pm

anyone else tried Automap 2 yet?

working?

abletoff · Post by **abletoff** » Wed Apr 09, 2008 4:42 pm

Working flawlessly here, two xp based machines, one sl zero and one sl37. It doesn't conflict anymore with my tascam us2400. Maybe I'm lucky or speaking too soon.
What I find buggy is the transparent window and its random behaviour, size, position, ecc..

bagginz · Post by **bagginz** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 12:05 pm

7.03 and Automap 2.0 working ok here (XP sp2) - except for two things:

1. The unacceptably large 8 second gap (the screen displays ***WAIT*** ) when switching between automap universal (template 38) and Ableton Automap (template 40)

Annoying but just about useable in the studio, but a total showstopper for using in a live situation if you need to switch back and forth between controlling a synth and standard mixer functions.

2. When you press the button to close the new browser window, the display does not revert to the previous display, which was indicating which buttons do what new functions. Not a big problem just a bit of clunky V1.0 behaviour.

I'm still evaluating and not exactly sure whether it's any improvement for my situation personally, apart from the lack of "Automap is offline"

Cheers,
bagginz

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Apr 13, 2008 9:59 pm

OK, I got it working. I was too impatient waiting for the "wait" screen that never seemed to go away. Turns out it does work, you just can't see the display.

Now of only I could make the "unable to start midi client" message to go away. I can no longer get MIDI clock out of Ableton Live at all. Might try adding an old usb midi converter for that and bypass the Novation.

bagginz · Post by **bagginz** » Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:37 pm

A re-evaluation, for what it's worth...

bagginz wrote: 1. The unacceptably large 8 second gap (the screen displays ***WAIT*** ) when switching between automap universal (template 38 ) and Ableton Automap (template 40)

After having studied the automap 2.0 videos on Novation's site, this may not be a problem.

Because with Automap 2 one doesn't have to switch templates at all - ONCE the mixer automap for Live is released that is...

I've been exploring the Cubase mixer automap and IF the eventual Live mixer automap works the same as the current Cubase implementation, (i.e fully customizable ) then v2.0 it will be a stunning improvement on an already good system.

Just what the doctor ordered for proper live, Live sets. Novation bang on target -again.

bagginz wrote: 2. When you press the button to close the new browser window, the display does not revert to the previous display, which was indicating which buttons do what new functions. Not a big problem just a bit of clunky V1.0 behaviour.

Upon reflection this isn't a bug, just that you have to push one of four buttons to exit this mode, and the buttons aren't labelled onscreen while you are in this mode, so there's no seeing how to escape...

bagginz wrote: I'm still evaluating and not exactly sure whether it's any improvement for my situation personally, apart from the lack of "Automap is offline"

From my point of view, once the Live mixer automap template is released, my SL should be massively more useful onstage.

However a couple of reservations:

1. I DO hope that the track mute status is displayed onscreen in the Live's mixer Automap in same way that the Cubase mixer automap does. Rather than relying on The laptop screen to tell me mute status.

Because I can then leave the laptop to the side for an occasional glance and work with the SL only... ( Which is one of the two main reasons of a using controller for me...)

2. Presumably I'll have to create the Live mixer Automap with far more pages than the Cubase one because we are currently unable to wrap Live's plugins with the Automap wrapper, so they'll have to be controlled via the Live mixer automap.

It remains to be seen whether this is any sort of disadvantage.

but I am impressed so far...

Cheers,
bagginz

GDlux · Post by **GDlux** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 5:11 am

I'll post this in this thread just in case it saves someone elses sanity...

I completely eliminated the noise on my system. No more cracks, pops, or CPU load jumps. Automap works perfectly.

Preferences: MIDI SYNC:

Control Surface: RemoteSL
Input: ReMOTE ZeRO SL: Port 2
Output: ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 1

MIDI Ports:

Input: Automap MIDI: ON, OFF, ON
Input: ReMOTE ZeRO SL: Port 1: ON, OFF, ON
Input: ReMOTE SL Input (ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 2): ON, OFF, ON
Input: ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 3: OFF, OFF, OFF

Output: Automap MIDI: ON, OFF, ON
Output: ReMOTE ZeRO SL (ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 1): ON, OFF, ON
Output: ReMOTE SL Input Port 2: ON, OFF, ON
Output: ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 3: OFF, OFF, OFF

Using Template 40, all ports set to MME.

PC / XP / Live 7.0.1

Timur · Post by **Timur** » Sat Apr 19, 2008 8:27 am

GDLux, does your Remote SL still refresh its LCD values with that setup? You set Control Surface Output to PORT 1 while at least with Automap 1 (did not try 2 yet) it does receive its LCD data on Port 2. This might explain why you don't experience problems anymore. Disabling the Output to the Remote has always been the simplest "solution" to these problems.

GDlux · Post by **GDlux** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 12:17 am

The LCD refreshes perfectly. I can now scroll through all parameter values on the left side and scroll through however many pages of mixer tracks on the right side while before this would have been unbearable and caused major CPU load issues and horrible glitches.

It is such a relief...in fact, before using these settings, I could mash 'Ctrl + ,' with lightning fast speed because I was constantly disabling and reenabling the output of the SL in order to stop the noise and then to refresh the data and then disable output again. It was a nightmare but, again, I have no problems whatsoever now.

One more thing I'll add is that I did update to v2.0, but I honestly dont recall whether I did this just before or just after getting the aforementioned settings to work. So I can't say for sure whether its necessary to have v2.0 or not. I suppose if you have the previous version, just try the settings, if they don't work then get v2.0 and try the settings.

I really hope this works for others.

zerocrossing · Post by **zerocrossing** » Sun Apr 20, 2008 10:54 pm

But what if you want to send MIDI sync to an external device. This is my on going issue with Live 7.

GDlux wrote:I'll post this in this thread just in case it saves someone elses sanity...

I completely eliminated the noise on my system. No more cracks, pops, or CPU load jumps. Automap works perfectly.

Preferences: MIDI SYNC:

Control Surface: RemoteSL
Input: ReMOTE ZeRO SL: Port 2
Output: ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 1

MIDI Ports:

Input: Automap MIDI: ON, OFF, ON
Input: ReMOTE ZeRO SL: Port 1: ON, OFF, ON
Input: ReMOTE SL Input (ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 2): ON, OFF, ON
Input: ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 3: OFF, OFF, OFF

Output: Automap MIDI: ON, OFF, ON
Output: ReMOTE ZeRO SL (ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 1): ON, OFF, ON
Output: ReMOTE SL Input Port 2: ON, OFF, ON
Output: ReMOTE ZeRO SL Port 3: OFF, OFF, OFF

Using Template 40, all ports set to MME.

PC / XP / Live 7.0.1

cenik1 · Post by **cenik1** » Thu May 15, 2008 3:03 pm

After having given up on trying to get Automap 1.0 to work with my Remote SL 61 key and Live I finally decided to try out Automap 2.0 last night. I followed the instructions in the latest user guide for the SL and from what I can tell Automap now works like a charm! I'm very pleased with the functionality; although I now have a LOT to learn about how to use Automap to its full potential haha.

Here's a quick question: how can I train one of the buttons on the SL to function with a specified parameter in a VST? Specifically, I want to have one of the buttons on the SL (I don't care which one) be able to go through the different presets in a bank of instruments one at a time (e.g. if I'm using Moog Modulator and looking at all the basses I'd like to hit a button on the SL to allow it to scroll one at a time through all the basses rather than having to click the up/down arrow in the VST with the mouse). Is this possible? Thanks.