Is anybody here making hip hop music without sampling?

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Mon Sep 13, 2004 12:38 pm

isn't it just 'no sampling' as in, 'write yer own facking tunes, mate' (ie. stop lifting four bars of classical music and looping it

). That's what I thought, anyways.

-Paws

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 1:30 am

noisetonepause wrote:isn't it just 'no sampling' as in, 'write yer own facking tunes, mate' (ie. stop lifting four bars of classical music and looping it ). That's what I thought, anyways.

-Paws

not necessarily. horn riffs of various lengths, bass tones, guitar licks, etc., all can be less than a bar in length, hence no looping. People who sample range from the Puffy's (lifting whole songs) to cats I know who take a note or two sounds from a song and freak it into something different than it was before. You can sample somebody and still write your own 'facking' tunes. mate.

noisetonepause · Post by **noisetonepause** » Tue Sep 14, 2004 5:07 pm

rahlo wrote:
noisetonepause wrote:isn't it just 'no sampling' as in, 'write yer own facking tunes, mate' (ie. stop lifting four bars of classical music and looping it ). That's what I thought, anyways.

-Paws
not necessarily. horn riffs of various lengths, bass tones, guitar licks, etc., all can be less than a bar in length, hence no looping. People who sample range from the Puffy's (lifting whole songs) to cats I know who take a note or two sounds from a song and freak it into something different than it was before. You can sample somebody and still write your own 'facking' tunes. mate.

Oh I know - I even do it myself at times - no disrespect t'wards creative samplists intended! It's the Puffys I don't like; not the Avalanches(es?) or the DJ Shadows of this world.

-Paws

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Wed Sep 15, 2004 5:17 am

ah, I get it. thanks for helping me understand what you meant!

pentajigga · Post by **pentajigga** » Thu Sep 16, 2004 8:46 pm

rahlo--

my bad, i linked you to 2 downbeat tunes (downbeat=album 2/dnb=album 1/hiphop = album3 section),

here's the hip-hop link:

http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/djfy ... dex-3.html

hip-hop tracks should be named "solar" and "mr three" and are under album 3. im recording the MC for these two tunes this week.

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Sun Sep 19, 2004 4:37 am

pentajigga wrote:rahlo--

my bad, i linked you to 2 downbeat tunes (downbeat=album 2/dnb=album 1/hiphop = album3 section),

here's the hip-hop link:

http://artists.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/djfy ... dex-3.html

hip-hop tracks should be named "solar" and "mr three" and are under album 3. im recording the MC for these two tunes this week.

I'd like to hear what you end up with man. Either post the joints somewhere or email me some mp3s dog!

zendari · Post by **zendari** » Mon Sep 20, 2004 3:34 am

I use to sample the shit out records but ended up broke from record shopping and got sick of trying to get clicks out of samples. We did a joint for aceyalone on accepted eclectic and ran into some shit with clearing samples, so we had to rethink our plan. So I got into vst and vsti computer base music programming instead using my asr and 8 track and other analog crap still have fun with them but not often. there is so much shit you can do with sound as long as you can program some beats and have a little music theory under your belt you can accomplish a lot.

When I do sample I will take snit bits or put them into melodyne and reorganize it. Usually when I start a song I will find a drumloop with sounds I like and start dropping sounds and samples over it to get a feeling of what I want to hear. I then hum a bass line in the mic and import it into melodyne and convert it to midi data, and get a good bass sound for it. Then I start to cut up the samples and put effects on them and then bounce it and then do that again. After that I will take the drumloop and reprogram it using my mpd 16 then take the original drumloop and process it with fx four different ways and then bounce it as one track.I will then listen to the track to see what it needs I will make a mock sequence and cut and past shit till I get what I want. then I will take a synth or rhodes and start working around the track and texture it up for drops and climax etc. Then the rest is just adding ear candy. You get a more original sound making your own shit and not depending on others work to make yours. You dont need to sample a four bar break to be true to the art of hip hop thats bullshit! if anything your holding it back from progressing as a art form which I dont care what anybody says it is! despite the wack shit that comes out today because the essence of it since spoony g to jungle bros is can still be reflected in your sound because if you grew up with it its a part of you and will shine in your music.

dragons den · Post by **dragons den** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 8:05 pm

zendari wrote:I use to sample the shit out records but ended up broke from record shopping and got sick of trying to get clicks out of samples. We did a joint for aceyalone on accepted eclectic and ran into some shit with clearing samples, so we had to rethink our plan. So I got into vst and vsti computer base music programming instead using my asr and 8 track and other analog crap still have fun with them but not often. there is so much shit you can do with sound as long as you can program some beats and have a little music theory under your belt you can accomplish a lot.

When I do sample I will take snit bits or put them into melodyne and reorganize it. Usually when I start a song I will find a drumloop with sounds I like and start dropping sounds and samples over it to get a feeling of what I want to hear. I then hum a bass line in the mic and import it into melodyne and convert it to midi data, and get a good bass sound for it. Then I start to cut up the samples and put effects on them and then bounce it and then do that again. After that I will take the drumloop and reprogram it using my mpd 16 then take the original drumloop and process it with fx four different ways and then bounce it as one track.I will then listen to the track to see what it needs I will make a mock sequence and cut and past shit till I get what I want. then I will take a synth or rhodes and start working around the track and texture it up for drops and climax etc. Then the rest is just adding ear candy. You get a more original sound making your own shit and not depending on others work to make yours. You dont need to sample a four bar break to be true to the art of hip hop thats bullshit! if anything your holding it back from progressing as a art form which I dont care what anybody says it is! despite the wack shit that comes out today because the essence of it since spoony g to jungle bros is can still be reflected in your sound because if you grew up with it its a part of you and will shine in your music.

dude you got it!
I am interested to hear some of your stuff I have a similar process. what ended up with the aceyalone stuff?

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Tue Sep 21, 2004 9:35 pm

ditto

zendari you're in venice california?

zendari · Post by **zendari** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:24 am

Dragons den
We couldnt submit anything in time right now we are working with bridget grey. I will upload some stuff on my website when my partner is done you can check his site really fn good www.sevstudio.com

mic minimal
Not anymore now I am in Culver City about 3 miles away from venice. why you on this side of the planet?

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:47 am

yeah i'm in west la, i can see you're puttin some work in right now, i am as well, my group will have it's walking legs in round a month or so but it would be cool to hook up when the load gets lighter.

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 4:54 am

so what are you doin bridget grey wise?, production, collab stuff?

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:01 am

a you know what i just saw her perform like a week or so ago at the fly poets thing at the congaroom

Rahlo · Post by **Rahlo** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:06 am

zendari wrote:I use to sample the shit out records but ended up broke from record shopping and got sick of trying to get clicks out of samples. We did a joint for aceyalone on accepted eclectic and ran into some shit with clearing samples, so we had to rethink our plan. So I got into vst and vsti computer base music programming instead using my asr and 8 track and other analog crap still have fun with them but not often. there is so much shit you can do with sound as long as you can program some beats and have a little music theory under your belt you can accomplish a lot.

When I do sample I will take snit bits or put them into melodyne and reorganize it. Usually when I start a song I will find a drumloop with sounds I like and start dropping sounds and samples over it to get a feeling of what I want to hear. I then hum a bass line in the mic and import it into melodyne and convert it to midi data, and get a good bass sound for it. Then I start to cut up the samples and put effects on them and then bounce it and then do that again. After that I will take the drumloop and reprogram it using my mpd 16 then take the original drumloop and process it with fx four different ways and then bounce it as one track.I will then listen to the track to see what it needs I will make a mock sequence and cut and past shit till I get what I want. then I will take a synth or rhodes and start working around the track and texture it up for drops and climax etc. Then the rest is just adding ear candy. You get a more original sound making your own shit and not depending on others work to make yours. You dont need to sample a four bar break to be true to the art of hip hop thats bullshit! if anything your holding it back from progressing as a art form which I dont care what anybody says it is! despite the wack shit that comes out today because the essence of it since spoony g to jungle bros is can still be reflected in your sound because if you grew up with it its a part of you and will shine in your music.

Yo, what a dope tip about using melodyne to generate a midi file for a hummend bassline! That one is definitely gonna be used!

I hear you dog! I'm all about trying to properly represent and advance the art form AND myself as an artist who truly loves hip hop. I never really looked at it that way--that sampling can possibly be more of a hindrance than a help in terms of advancing the art. Hmmm. I gotta chew on that one a little.

Thanks for your input duke. Where can I hear some of your stuff?

::mic-minimal:: · Post by **::mic-minimal::** » Wed Sep 22, 2004 5:16 am

whats up rahlo, you might wanna check this out too, they were talking bout it over at kvr, its way cheaper than
melodyne and I just might cop it. the featurelist is a good one.