Anybody else NOT excitedly anticipating Live 8?

stringtapper · Post by **stringtapper** » Sun May 25, 2008 7:50 am

forge wrote:I guess you haven't got much into racks then or tried the inline rack mixer?

Nope. Haven't had the time to get into the drum racks in any way deeper than setting up kits for a trigger finger. I've been getting a lot of mileage creating instrument and effect racks since they were introduced and I feel I've barely scratched the surface.

forge wrote:(like constrain direction modifier so that the point doesn't move up and down when you are trying to move left/right etc)

+10000000. I hate this. You need to be able to hold shift while moving breakpoints horizontally to avoid vertical shifts. Logic does this and it drives me crazy that Live doesn't.

MR Coogs · Post by **MR Coogs** » Sun May 25, 2008 10:23 am

I'm glad I sat out a round of upgrades. I've not been impressed by the lack of long time user upgrade pricing.

Example:

Buy Live v01 $199 (or whatever it was)
2 upgrade $89 (Or whatever it was)
3 upgrade $89 ...
4 upgrade $89 ...
5 Upgrade $89 ...
6 upgrade $89 ...
7 upgrade $89 ...
Total for the long time user to have the latest Live: $733 (not exact numbers)

Other user
Buys live 3 for $249
Skips upgrades
Buys Live 7 upgrade for $200
Total: $449

Again, not exact numbers, but you get the idea.

forge · Post by **forge** » Sun May 25, 2008 1:04 pm

MR Coogs wrote:I'm glad I sat out a round of upgrades. I've not been impressed by the lack of long time user upgrade pricing.

Example:

Buy Live v01 $199 (or whatever it was)
2 upgrade $89 (Or whatever it was)
3 upgrade $89 ...
4 upgrade $89 ...
5 Upgrade $89 ...
6 upgrade $89 ...
7 upgrade $89 ...
Total for the long time user to have the latest Live: $733 (not exact numbers)

Other user
Buys live 3 for $249
Skips upgrades
Buys Live 7 upgrade for $200
Total: $449

Again, not exact numbers, but you get the idea.

that's kind of an odd way to look at it though - in the first example you would get the use of each of those versions

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Sun May 25, 2008 1:05 pm

i want my grouped faders so i can sell cubase

MR Coogs · Post by **MR Coogs** » Mon May 26, 2008 6:13 am

forge wrote:
MR Coogs wrote:I'm glad I sat out a round of upgrades. I've not been impressed by the lack of long time user upgrade pricing.

Example:

Buy Live v01 $199 (or whatever it was)
2 upgrade $89 (Or whatever it was)
3 upgrade $89 ...
4 upgrade $89 ...
5 Upgrade $89 ...
6 upgrade $89 ...
7 upgrade $89 ...
Total for the long time user to have the latest Live: $733 (not exact numbers)

Other user
Buys live 3 for $249
Skips upgrades
Buys Live 7 upgrade for $200
Total: $449

Again, not exact numbers, but you get the idea.
that's kind of an odd way to look at it though - in the first example you would get the use of each of those versions

I'm not an "abes" worshipper. It;s why I 'm skipping upgrades. Take it or leave it. The new features of 7 are cool, but I've found that I don't need them, probably won't need 8 either.

RhythmSickness · Post by **RhythmSickness** » Mon May 26, 2008 6:20 am

forge wrote:
MR Coogs wrote:I'm glad I sat out a round of upgrades. I've not been impressed by the lack of long time user upgrade pricing.

Example:

Buy Live v01 $199 (or whatever it was)
2 upgrade $89 (Or whatever it was)
3 upgrade $89 ...
4 upgrade $89 ...
5 Upgrade $89 ...
6 upgrade $89 ...
7 upgrade $89 ...
Total for the long time user to have the latest Live: $733 (not exact numbers)

Other user
Buys live 3 for $249
Skips upgrades
Buys Live 7 upgrade for $200
Total: $449

Again, not exact numbers, but you get the idea.
that's kind of an odd way to look at it though - in the first example you would get the use of each of those versions

Another way to look at it is the continued support you would have been providing to ableton, whilst still not having pretty substantial bugs fixed (128 parameters, wacom support, etc) I think anyone who'd spent that amount of money waiting for the development cycle to come round to deal with certain fundamental fixes would have a very good reason to feel frustrated.

Because although you would have the ability to use all those versions you bought, if none of them actually fixed what you considered to be bugs then where do you benefit?

forge · Post by **forge** » Mon May 26, 2008 9:23 am

RhythmSickness wrote:
forge wrote:
MR Coogs wrote:I'm glad I sat out a round of upgrades. I've not been impressed by the lack of long time user upgrade pricing.

Example:

Buy Live v01 $199 (or whatever it was)
2 upgrade $89 (Or whatever it was)
3 upgrade $89 ...
4 upgrade $89 ...
5 Upgrade $89 ...
6 upgrade $89 ...
7 upgrade $89 ...
Total for the long time user to have the latest Live: $733 (not exact numbers)

Other user
Buys live 3 for $249
Skips upgrades
Buys Live 7 upgrade for $200
Total: $449

Again, not exact numbers, but you get the idea.
that's kind of an odd way to look at it though - in the first example you would get the use of each of those versions
Another way to look at it is the continued support you would have been providing to ableton, whilst still not having pretty substantial bugs fixed (128 parameters, wacom support, etc) I think anyone who'd spent that amount of money waiting for the development cycle to come round to deal with certain fundamental fixes would have a very good reason to feel frustrated.

Because although you would have the ability to use all those versions you bought, if none of them actually fixed what you considered to be bugs then where do you benefit?

to put it another way, the second instance when you pay $200 you are actually getting the benefits that were added before the version that made you upgrade too

so for example, if you jumped from v4 to version 7 because you like the look of 7 and didn't think you needed any of the features of version 5 or 6, but then in Live 7 you start making use of MP3 support, video and racks then you are using features that all the staff who worked on it built for those previous versions

and you can;t exactly buy a version without them if you don't want them - and in my experience what you think you might not want could easily change once you start using it

Live 7 was built on Live 6, built on Live 5 - etc

WaveRider · Post by **WaveRider** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:00 pm

condra wrote:LIVE NEEDS TO BECOME LESS MOUSE ORIENTATED

+1

xzusa8ky · Post by **xzusa8ky** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:15 pm

I dont need it! I am still on Live 1

RhythmSickness · Post by **RhythmSickness** » Mon May 26, 2008 12:55 pm

forge wrote:
RhythmSickness wrote:
forge wrote: that's kind of an odd way to look at it though - in the first example you would get the use of each of those versions
Another way to look at it is the continued support you would have been providing to ableton, whilst still not having pretty substantial bugs fixed (128 parameters, wacom support, etc) I think anyone who'd spent that amount of money waiting for the development cycle to come round to deal with certain fundamental fixes would have a very good reason to feel frustrated.

Because although you would have the ability to use all those versions you bought, if none of them actually fixed what you considered to be bugs then where do you benefit?
to put it another way, the second instance when you pay $200 you are actually getting the benefits that were added before the version that made you upgrade too

so for example, if you jumped from v4 to version 7 because you like the look of 7 and didn't think you needed any of the features of version 5 or 6, but then in Live 7 you start making use of MP3 support, video and racks then you are using features that all the staff who worked on it built for those previous versions

and you can;t exactly buy a version without them if you don't want them - and in my experience what you think you might not want could easily change once you start using it

Live 7 was built on Live 6, built on Live 5 - etc

Yeah I get what you're saying, but if of all the upgrades that have happened since you last upgraded, none of them contain the essential fixes, that are pretty fundamental to the way you work, kinda makes it a hollow deal.

gumpbert · Post by **gumpbert** » Mon May 26, 2008 5:19 pm

I will definately upgrade when 8 is released. Sure, Live has some issues but it is still a great program and I will happily keep giving Ableton my money to keep developing it. I don't use Reason much anymore, but I still buy upgrades and will continue to do so since it is not only a really cool program, it is also Swedish

gomi · Post by **gomi** » Mon May 26, 2008 9:40 pm

mutate sampler into a convolution reverb
allowing you to use any wave file as an impulse response for
another wave file.

CONVOLUTRON

can i tm that now?

MR Coogs · Post by **MR Coogs** » Mon May 26, 2008 9:45 pm

Actually the last upgrade I did was to get intel native support. Otherwise, Live is still a nice loops arranger, as it has always been, and still not a editor or recorder as much as I'd like to see it become.

So instead of an ableton upgrade, I reinvested in pro tools.

And I'll do it again if it suites me.

So take that Abes!

*lol*

ausgeno · Post by **ausgeno** » Mon May 26, 2008 11:48 pm

7 was a terrific upgrade for me, Drumracks and Sidechaining were worth the price of entry alone, but I can't think of anything critical I need from 8.

Michael Hatsis · Post by **Michael Hatsis** » Tue May 27, 2008 9:31 am

ausgeno wrote: I can't think of anything critical I need from 8.

heh heh, thats where im at now. ah, hell, heres 3 things id love to see that most likely wont make it into Live any time soon.

- Folder scenes
- inverted clip colors for selected scene ( you know, so you can actually see what clips are highlighted )
- per track clip loop, start, & end point mappable settings ( without hacking into the API )