ot castro wants obama

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:30 pm

djadonis206 wrote:
djadonis206 wrote:Wealth defined is what we value, not money income. However, money can buy you a lot of things that you value
If Cubans value free health care then they are wealthy - wealth does not equal money, however, money makes it easier to acquire things you value

a 90 year old great grand parent with little to no money but a very large health family is wealthy

so when you say ,
There is more to the world than wealth.
I believe you, but you're thinking of wealth differently than I do.

Free everything believe it or not has a cost. dead weight costs like standing in line, waiting three weeks to see a doctor, a shortage of doctors, etc etc

think about a lot of things in America that we consider to be free ... do we really value those things as much as the things we actually pay for?

Image if Heath Care were free in America. how do you think that would play out?

we have free health care in denmark if i want to see a doctor tomorrow i can see one. we have some of the best hospitals in the world, all for free!

for me it wouldn't matter if it was free or not i have no trouble paying (or letting my parents pay for that sake) for private hospitals. Even if i didn't have a health insurance i wouldn't be in trouble. But not i'm not at all because i don't need a health insurance here!

I'm thinking of all the people without one. Aren't there cases in USA where some (what do i know, trailerpark people) can't get on a hospital even if they're deadly sick?

I don't want anyone to suffer, no matter if they have a job or not.

terryhamel · Post by **terryhamel** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:33 pm

Good on you, Jack. The only people that don't understand the American public doesn't want war are the rank and file Republicans who don't look into the issue deeply and/or don't act with principle. Of course, all 3 of the candidates are groomed through the globalist CFR, so I don't hold favor to them or the two puppet parties. Endorsements from third parties mean nothing - what really needs to be looked at is a person's record. Actions speak louder than words.

The people are sick and tired of endless wars, taxation, national debt, nanny states, police states - the list goes on. We are capable of taking care of ourselves and want only gov't to get out of our way so we can pursue happiness and prosperity starting at the local level. Centralized management has failed miserably, people know it and are working together to create their own way.

Our hope lies not with Ron Paul, but with people getting involved in politics to remove the burdening bureaucracy that will allow our human potential to burn wildly once again. Did you know there are 40 "Ron Paul" republicans running for Congress across the county this cycle? There is no other candidate inspiring that sort of activity and for good reason - he's the only one that has a 30 year track record voting for the people by voting for the Constitution which limits gov't. If you're not becoming involved at the local level, you should be - it's the only way "change" will occur.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:33 pm

djadonis206 wrote:People blindly attacking Obama is probably gods way of getting back at all those same back people for blindly attacking George Bush.

yeah, but the god of Islam is the only true god, what does that tell you?

elxicano · Post by **elxicano** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:37 pm

jackmazzotti wrote:
if you don't like my threads don't post on them and they will go away

Is this a “love it or leave it” reference?

C’mon buddy, what did you think would happen? This is public forum. You write, people respond. If you didn’t want people to point out your stupidity, then maybe you should not have created a post… hmm now there’s a thought, but I’m guessing that thinking is not your best quality.

It is sad that people like you speak of freedom, but have no idea of what that freedom means. Here’s a tip… the same freedom that allowed you to express your ignorance is the same freedom everyone else has. Love that or leave it.

It really cracks me up that you’re scared of communism… here’s a news flash, it’s been around for years and it’s not because of a trade embargo that we haven’t had a communist revolution. Stop worrying about Fidel Castro, and who he favors… it has nothing to do with this election.

What I hate the most about your comments, is that you make Americans look bad. The uneducated population is a small minority of the population that you belong to. What’s sad is that the uneducated people like your self have a problem of saying whatever comes to mind and this is unfortunate since we’ve all noted that your mind is not greatest strength.

Do us all a favor and pick up a book or two and begin reading. Try newspapers, magazines and online articles… learn something that wasn’t just preached to you. Stop buying into all the propaganda. Then if you decide you still don’t agree, at least you’ll be able to provide just one solid point to defend yourself.

rikhyray · Post by **rikhyray** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:57 pm

There is more then chicas, tabaco y ron. Cubans have some incredibly advanced medical research, there is lots of interest and some limited cooperation with USA, US citizens coming for cancer treatment. The stupid blockade never worked, contrary it kept the regime in power, if not for the blocade Castro would be history decades ago.
It is all very complex, what is,would be better. I lived, worked there for years and am not sure of the answers. For sure the island have some of the finest musicians, we all could be envious not just of the education and skills but artistic freedom. Though I am from the 3rd world(India) like everyone else grown into dependence on professional success , whatever we do there is always that subconscious "will it sell?" because musician have to pays the bills like anyone else. which is the price of our other freedoms. After some time of working there I realised they have freedom to create non existent in capitalistic world. It is a fact, but is it better? dont know, probably if I was born there I would be making raft myself. On other hand if you hear the music of those who left it mostly went down, that includes Arturo Sandoval, Pacito de Rivera and other greats. Yet this artistic freedom has price of human freedom, being aware of this many of my friends managed to leave. Are they happy? mostly not, play some shit in Vegas or whatever. At least those greats like Arturo play good music have good life.
Frankly, I dont go to Cuba since few years because I cannot bear it, to see people I love suffer and subjected to decaying values. As foreigner you are privileged, can enjoy but I cant really knowing the other side of it.
From what I see 90% of Cubans who left are not happy at all, Miami, London or Frankfurt, never adapt really, they create their little Cubas and miss the real one as hell.
I wish the Cubans that Obama wins since there would be some serious hope, if another imbecil like Bush gets elected it will take longer.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Thu May 29, 2008 9:58 pm

jackmazzotti wrote: america where we have freedom of speech, press and religion to name a few

is that a joke or something? You realize you just said that America has free press and speech to an European?(or even worse, nothern European. Scandinavian! the worst of all kinds. We're probably the most free people on the surface of the earth when it comes to these things

)

And don't get me started on a country of which is "the nation of god" and ruled by extremists from the church of Christ. Jesus fucking Christ thats hilarious btw. Yeah i'm an atheist, now you'll probably ignore my comments anyway.

I don't mind you having an opinion of who to elect on for sure, i'm not even American i don't have much to do in this thread but to defend Cuba and Fidel. Communism is not a threat to anyone .

What gets me started is that you use the reason that Fidel, (who is in many places of the world a respected man even though he's a communist), saying that Obama is bad. Thats wrong man. You should try to dig in the non-propaganda stuff.

Thats another thing worrying me about you'r so called FREEDOM. Propaganda by the government. Its insane so many people they made believe the war of Iraq was a nice thing to do, going around FN and threatening the countries within "either you're with us or against us". It doesn't work like that for a long time.

Maybe one day you'll have all EU after you. It will be funny to see who's the most powerful union then. And no not talking about firepower.
But really..

nothing personal of course, or well a bit, but eh.

night

ethios4 · Post by **ethios4** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:16 pm

terryhamel wrote:Our hope lies not with Ron Paul, but with people getting involved in politics to remove the burdening bureaucracy that will allow our human potential to burn wildly once again. Did you know there are 40 "Ron Paul" republicans running for Congress across the county this cycle?

Yes, that's it! I checked and found this site of "Ron Paul Republicans" : Paul Congress

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:25 pm

thefool wrote:
jackmazzotti wrote: america where we have freedom of speech, press and religion to name a few
is that a joke or something? You realize you just said that America has free press and speech to an European?(or even worse, nothern European. Scandinavian! the worst of all kinds. We're probably the most free people on the surface of the earth when it comes to these things )

And don't get me started on a country of which is "the nation of god" and ruled by extremists from the church of Christ. Jesus fucking Christ thats hilarious btw. Yeah i'm an atheist, now you'll probably ignore my comments anyway.

I don't mind you having an opinion of who to elect on for sure, i'm not even American i don't have much to do in this thread but to defend Cuba and Fidel. Communism is not a threat to anyone .

What gets me started is that you use the reason that Fidel, (who is in many places of the world a respected man even though he's a communist), saying that Obama is bad. Thats wrong man. You should try to dig in the non-propaganda stuff.

Thats another thing worrying me about you'r so called FREEDOM. Propaganda by the government. Its insane so many people they made believe the war of Iraq was a nice thing to do, going around FN and threatening the countries within "either you're with us or against us". It doesn't work like that for a long time.

Maybe one day you'll have all EU after you. It will be funny to see who's the most powerful union then. And no not talking about firepower.
But really..

nothing personal of course, or well a bit, but eh.

night

get some perspective bub. Im no big fan of any recent American government, but the reason youre free is because the Allies (mainly powered by American bodies) bailed your ass out in WW2. You have freedoms because a friendly power came to your rescue. You may want to remember that in your little rant about "freedom'. You owe a massive debt to the US notion of democracy.

and P.S i hate how the US treats Cuba.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:31 pm

adventurepants_ wrote:get some perspective bub. Im no big fan of any recent American government, but the reason youre free is because the Allies (mainly powered by American bodies) bailed your ass out in WW2. You have freedoms because a friendly power came to your rescue. You may want to remember that in your little rant about "freedom'. You owe a massive debt to the US notion of democracy.

do you know who thefool is? I mean, his age, how he lives? perspective?!?! LOL!!

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:33 pm

Tone Deft wrote:
adventurepants_ wrote:get some perspective bub. Im no big fan of any recent American government, but the reason youre free is because the Allies (mainly powered by American bodies) bailed your ass out in WW2. You have freedoms because a friendly power came to your rescue. You may want to remember that in your little rant about "freedom'. You owe a massive debt to the US notion of democracy.
do you know who thefool is? I mean, his age, how he lives? perspective?!?! LOL!!

if i ever stopped to think, id never write anything on the internet! call me troll bait-pants.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu May 29, 2008 10:35 pm

lmfao! you and me both...

djadonis206 · Post by **djadonis206** » Thu May 29, 2008 11:40 pm

Now I can't get that Dj Khaled jam out of my head

"I'm so hood!"

Thanks guys, thanks

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:15 am

adventurepants_ wrote:
Tone Deft wrote:
adventurepants_ wrote:get some perspective bub. Im no big fan of any recent American government, but the reason youre free is because the Allies (mainly powered by American bodies) bailed your ass out in WW2. You have freedoms because a friendly power came to your rescue. You may want to remember that in your little rant about "freedom'. You owe a massive debt to the US notion of democracy.
do you know who thefool is? I mean, his age, how he lives? perspective?!?! LOL!!
if i ever stopped to think, id never write anything on the internet! call me troll bait-pants.

Its like hating germans because of what they did back then isn't it?

adventurepants_ · Post by **adventurepants_** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:30 am

thefool wrote:
adventurepants_ wrote:
Tone Deft wrote: do you know who thefool is? I mean, his age, how he lives? perspective?!?! LOL!!
if i ever stopped to think, id never write anything on the internet! call me troll bait-pants.

Its like hating germans because of what they did back then isn't it?

not at all. The Germans rejected fascism and Nazism. The people of the US havent rejected Democracy, but some of them have let their idea of democracy become perverted by a bunch of religious bigots. (ie the Bush conservative Christians). So you may want to stop generalising. A lot of US citizens think that the whole response to 9/11 is wrong, and their current middle east policy is misguided.

(shit Godwins Law has been invoked, THREAD OVER!)

dazzer · Post by **dazzer** » Fri May 30, 2008 6:43 am

adventurepants_ wrote:[

the reason youre free is because the Allies (mainly powered by American bodies) bailed your ass out in WW2. You have freedoms because a friendly power came to your rescue.

Genuine question here. I always thought that the US got involved in WWII 'cos the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor, that was what we were taught in school. But you, and other North Americans before you, claim that you got involved because you wanted to "bail our ass out" and came "come to our rescue".

What point am I missing here?