ot castro wants obama

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:51 am

There was a good series on the BBC recently called "the history of modern Britain".

In the first episode Andrew Marr (who also wrote the seies) explains in great detail the political ins and outs of WW2, especially what the US involvement meant for us. We only just paid off the financial debt to the US a couple of years ago, that debt pretty much pushed us to global bankruptsy. The US made a profit.

It's an extremely interesting series if you catch the chance to watch it.

There's possibly information regarding this at the BBC history site though it might take a fair bit of reading to find it.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/worldwars/wwtwo/

That's a really good history of WW2 there actually.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Fri May 30, 2008 9:56 am

don't try to teach him who knows the truth anything. He's too dumb to change. Its too late

andydes · Post by **andydes** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:22 am

OK, who brought up WW2?

Just logged on to see if there was any interesting discussion, but I see it's been utterly derailed.

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:38 am

andydes wrote:OK, who brought up WW2?

Just logged on to see if there was any interesting discussion, but I see it's been utterly derailed.

I think it started to head in that direction at about the middle of page 3. I just thought I'd post some links to some history sites to ease the bickering about who's right or wrong about some well documented facts.

I can't really comment too much about the US election but as far as I can tell Obama seems to be the only candidate with a chance of success that doesn't come across as a villain from a batman comic. Personally I hope he wins the whole thing, I think people in a lot of non US countries would agree with me too. The world might get a little safer to be in, although how much real power actually ends up in an elected presidents (or prime minister's)hands is a subject for a different debate.

b0unce · Post by **b0unce** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:50 am

is this thread GOOD or BAD ? ? ?

Martyn · Post by **Martyn** » Fri May 30, 2008 10:52 am

b0unce wrote:is this thread GOOD or BAD ? ? ?

Neuter.

Probably shouldn't keep bumping it really, bored at work

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andydes · Post by **andydes** » Fri May 30, 2008 11:26 am

Not blaming you. In fact, I detect the hand of thefool in this. Not for starting the WW2 hijack as such, but for winding up our American friends enough to provoke the age old “we saved your asses” defence. But he’s young, impetuous and full of rightious indignation, as you should be at that age, so I’ll let him off.

I might check out the links anyway. Thanks.

Anyway, in terms of world affairs, Castro’s pretty irrelevant and according to this article (yeah Fox, I know) Chavez has just expressed concern that McCain might actually be worse than Bush.

But you’ve got Hamas and Iran both basically saying they respect Obama and think they could work with him. I just can’t see how that’s a bad thing.

Maybe some people prefer to think that Iran and Hamas just hate us for our freedom. But what they’re basically saying is “US under Bush wasn’t so great, but US under Obama, we might be able to come to some kind of agreement”.

The OP was complaining that he just has a spellbinding charisma that makes people want to go along with him (Obama, not the OP). Well, that’s just what you need in international diplomacy. It’s got to be better than having monkey boy Bush putting his foot in it all the time anyway.

Is anyone daft enough to believe that by saying they might be willing to negotiate with Obama, it makes him a commie or a terrorist. Probably yes, sadly.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Fri May 30, 2008 11:52 am

andydes wrote:Not blaming you. In fact, I detect the hand of thefool in this. Not for starting the WW2 hijack as such, but for winding up our American friends enough to provoke the age old “we saved your asses” defence. But he’s young, impetuous and full of rightious indignation, as you should be at that age, so I’ll let him off.

20 years old and you're probably right about the other things too hehe

Well i like most americans i've met, but the ones like him (or her, Olga is a womans name) is just right on my aim. Ya you know. Like we should thank their current governemnt for anything. I'm not as such against authority in any way, not at all. But there is a far shot from accepting and respecting to agreeing. And i'm free to disagree if i want too.

Luckily for the world, most seem to agree with my (can i say our?) opinion on it.

And i do respect others opinions, also if they're the complete reverse of my own but when people like him start up with no such thing as worthy aguements or a point its just hard to accept. Especially his/her use of angry and foul language to try get the "point" through it just shows who the real ass hat is.

Peace. Not to you olga, you can go have fun with a sheep or something..

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:03 pm

I soooo call GODWINS LAW.

now shut up already. sheesh.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Fri May 30, 2008 2:52 pm

jaja men jeg bryder mig sku ikke om amerikanere der er så selvfede. Heldigvis er der ikke mange af dem. Men fint nok

- discussion over -

ChiDJ · Post by **ChiDJ** » Fri May 30, 2008 3:46 pm

Although I tend to prefer to mock myself as a shallow ignorant American on this forum, (It's just easier). I will share this opinion:

I don't think McCain or Obama will make much of a difference as a leader domestically. This disappoints me greatly, but I firmy believe our society and government is, at best, reactionary. I am happy to see oil prices continue to climb. Maybe this will finally force us to advance our actual use of alternative energy.

Obama is a nececessary face for us to improve our global image. Regardless of his future decisions, (good or bad), the world needs to see that we regret our behavior for the last 8 years.

It is only then that we can resume our status as a Super Power with a conscience and, hopefully, work in concert with the other high energy consuming nations to change our parasitic behavior on our dying planet.