[url]hy use impulse when we have drum racks?

[forge]

I've had an idea for something that might help - what if the macros changed every time you click a pad - so in other words, the macros that are on the sub racks for each sound automatically transfer to the main macros - of course it should be a preferences option "sub-rack macros replace parents" or something much more eloquently put

if you could do that and have more than 8 macros then it would be a bit like what we were talking about here about clicking on a pad and the parameters appear

the more I think about this the more I like it for racks in general - that is one problem I have with racks i'd use for automapping - if I have the parent rack selected fro automapping, it would be really cool if instead of having to double click on the pad then go and select the sub rack so it gets the blue hand, instead you stay where you are, double click a pad and the macros are replaced with the ones in the sub rack

[kuniklo]

As much as I like racks I do have to admit that I avoid doing any serious editing with deeply nested racks. There's something about the immediacy and simplicity of impulse that encourages me to build in a way that racks don't.

[Tone Deft]

forge - you know all those times I pipe and say "wtf? no, I don't agree with this thread, wtf??" this is a time I agree but really have nothing to add, I like some of the ideas here like the stripped down version of Impulse, it kinda strikes me as a <gasp> max style modularity. (I'm so over waiting for that, but that's another thread.) I'm also liking the scrutiny of drum racks, they are out of control.

my $0.02.

[Machinate]

Aren't drumracks impulse 2XL?

theoretically yes, practically no..

as Forge worded it:
..on impulse you click the pad and the parameters appear..
..drum racks you click a pad and a massive big chain of holy fuck knows what appears - if it's nested racks then you are really in trouble..

That's just wrong. If you drag in an empty drum rack, then drag in, say, 16 samples, you can then click on the pad and ONLY see the instrument for that pad.

Sounds like me need make video tutorial for drum rack now soon yes

[Poster]

Aren't drumracks impulse 2XL?

theoretically yes, practically no..

as Forge worded it:
..on impulse you click the pad and the parameters appear..
..drum racks you click a pad and a massive big chain of holy fuck knows what appears - if it's nested racks then you are really in trouble..

That's just wrong. If you drag in an empty drum rack, then drag in, say, 16 samples, you can then click on the pad and ONLY see the instrument for that pad.

you have totally missed the point..
it's not about how you drag in samples and then just see the devices only,
it's about the editing/handling of chained devices and the whole experience/workflow of racks..

I know you're big fan of drumracks, but I've read alot of true and valuable comments in this thread alone on how they can be improved..

[R.J.Dubya]

I'm not sure I see too many problems with drum racks. I think they're pretty great.

I just wish simpler/sampler had a frickin' timestretch so that using them doesn't make you lose a cool feature from impulse. It's not a big deal to use an impulse in a rack, but you don't always know when you want to stretch a sample and when you don't. so fooey on that.

I always thought that a single sample version of impulse should have been provided for use with drum racks, but I guess it doesn't really take much in the way of resources to have those other 7 empty slots sitting there. Plus that way you can layer samples using the chord plug-in. So I guess I like it just fine. Except for that long samples issue of course.....

[Poster]

Sounds like me need make video tutorial for drum rack now soon yes

sorry but I think the people in this thread expressed their concerns from full on experience..
what do you think a video tutorial is going to change to that?

don't make it sound like people cannot express their personal preferences..
I think we all know pretty well how they work, though do not totally agree with certain behaviour and features..

[Machinate]

theoretically yes, practically no..

as Forge worded it:
..on impulse you click the pad and the parameters appear..
..drum racks you click a pad and a massive big chain of holy fuck knows what appears - if it's nested racks then you are really in trouble..

That's just wrong. If you drag in an empty drum rack, then drag in, say, 16 samples, you can then click on the pad and ONLY see the instrument for that pad.

you have totally missed the point..
it's not about how you drag in samples and then just see the devices only,
it's about the editing/handling of chained devices and the whole experience/workflow of racks..

I totally agree - it's a PAIN navigating inside a rack - but using impulse doesn't change that one bit, as far as I see it. And no, I am not a huge drum racks fan, I just loathe impulse even more... There's always improvements to be made, and if you ask me, the biggest hurdle for Ableton in managing large collections of ... anything... is the vertical limit imposed on the device window

[Machinate]

Sounds like me need make video tutorial for drum rack now soon yes

sorry but I think the people in this thread expressed their concerns from full on experience..
what do you think a video tutorial is going to change to that?

don't make it sound like people cannot express their personal preferences..
I think we all know pretty well how they work, though do not totally agree with certain behaviour and features..

I'm not "making it sound" like anything, my man. From my experience a lot of peoples issues with a lot of different things in Live can often be resolved by changing ones workflow. Videos can be an inspirational aid in that direction. I'd be the first to tell anyone that there are a million ways to use Live, and none of them are wrong (except perhaps Hambone1s way of using it. That's just... perverted)

[Poster]

I totally agree - it's a PAIN navigating inside a rack - but using impulse doesn't change that one bit, as far as I see it.

ya see, that's the point.. as far as you see it..
but there are people in this thread who think different about what to use for drums and what suits them better..

using Impulse is not going to make drumracks better no, but I have no trust in the current behaviour of drumracks,
so that leaves no other option as to use Impulse only, because drumracks are not a worthy replacement, to me..

and that's why this discussion is so alive; we simply want to be able to make the switch to the racks because the potential is there..
if not, Impulse 2 would still be a very good alternative as well..

[Machinate]

I have no trust in the current behaviour of drumracks,
so that leaves no other option as to use Impulse only, because drumracks are not a worthy replacement, to me..

ah. Then there seems to be many parallel discussions going on here.
My semi-snide remark above was directed at "people like you", then - I fail to see where the two methods of working differ, except that you have a row of 8 pads instead of a grid of up to 128. If you're not even nesting/stacking sounds, then you wouldn't have the problem of deep nested racks, right?

Again, a greater insight into yours (and other peoples) workflow would help the discussion greatly, I think.

[Poster]

Sounds like me need make video tutorial for drum rack now soon yes

sorry but I think the people in this thread expressed their concerns from full on experience..
what do you think a video tutorial is going to change to that?

don't make it sound like people cannot express their personal preferences..
I think we all know pretty well how they work, though do not totally agree with certain behaviour and features..

I'm not "making it sound" like anything, my man. From my experience a lot of peoples issues with a lot of different things in Live can often be resolved by changing ones workflow. Videos can be an inspirational aid in that direction. I'd be the first to tell anyone that there are a million ways to use Live, and none of them are wrong (except perhaps Hambone1s way of using it. That's just... perverted)

well, I just interpretated it like that because by reading the comments in this thread I'm not under the impression people need to be taught how to use racks..
We both know that in this case the design of certain features need to change, not user workflows..
cheers..

[Machinate]

I totally agree - it's a PAIN navigating inside a rack - but using impulse doesn't change that one bit, as far as I see it.

ya see, that's the point.. as far as you see it..
but there are people in this thread who think different about what to use for drums and what suits them better..

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drumracks are not a worthy replacement, to me..

hehe,
then we agree even more; subjectivity and the way people approach these problems are a key factor here, non?

[Machinate]

We both know that in this case the design of certain features need to change, not user workflows..
cheers..

In general, I totally agree, although I would say about 50/50 for many people, to be honest. Racks can be a tough cookie to wraps ones head around.

I heard that hoffman2k once built a rack, got lost inside and no-one saw him for a week!

much love,
A.

[Poster]

I totally agree - it's a PAIN navigating inside a rack - but using impulse doesn't change that one bit, as far as I see it.

ya see, that's the point.. as far as you see it..
but there are people in this thread who think different about what to use for drums and what suits them better..

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drumracks are not a worthy replacement, to me..

hehe,
then we agree even more; subjectivity and the way people approach these problems are a key factor here, non?

ya see Andy, there are alot of things I cannot explain that easy through the web because user interaction can take pages to describe..
heck, most of the time I cannot even describe them to myself because there's just only this voice that says 'this ain't right'..

anywayzzz.. gimme Impulse 2.0 and I'm a happy camper..
cheers.. M.