[url]hy use impulse when we have drum racks?

[Machinate]

ya see Andy, there are alot of things I cannot explain that easy through the web because user interaction can take pages to describe..
heck, most of the time I cannot even describe them to myself because there's just only this voice that says 'this ain't right'..

anywayzzz.. gimme Impulse 2.0 and I'm a happy camper..
cheers.. M.

I know man, I know. If Cycling/Ableton ever lets us design our own instruments, then I'll do it for ya, bro.

[longjohns]

the idea which comes to mind from reading all (most?) of this...

a "parameter container" device

in which you can create knobs, buttons, etc. to control parameters from elsewhere.

the device can be placed anywhere. it is not a part of signal flow, but is a monitor point and manipulation point for parameters from any location...

with this you could keep the existing rack structures without backtracking in development, but make your own "impulse 2.0" collection of controls for the racked simpler(s) and FX which would be found on a drum rack chain.

incorporate that in a default, and it would be generated automatically when pulling samples in.

there would be a lot of cool things you could do with it.

[longjohns]

like a macro, but pointing to anywhere in the set. and not just a knob. any control.... or display field, vu meter, etc.

[forge]

Aren't drumracks impulse 2XL?

theoretically yes, practically no..

as Forge worded it:
..on impulse you click the pad and the parameters appear..
..drum racks you click a pad and a massive big chain of holy fuck knows what appears - if it's nested racks then you are really in trouble..

That's just wrong. If you drag in an empty drum rack, then drag in, say, 16 samples, you can then click on the pad and ONLY see the instrument for that pad.

Sounds like me need make video tutorial for drum rack now soon yes

edit

actually, just wow.

[Machinate]

If you drag in an empty drum rack, then drag in, say, 16 samples, you can then click on the pad and ONLY see the instrument for that pad.

Sounds like me need make video tutorial for drum rack now soon yes

and what I meant by "tutorial" is more like show what I mean through video, because I don't seem to be making my point all that well in words.... ahem.

[forge]

If you drag in an empty drum rack, then drag in, say, 16 samples, you can then click on the pad and ONLY see the instrument for that pad.

Sounds like me need make video tutorial for drum rack now soon yes

and what I meant by "tutorial" is more like show what I mean through video, because I don't seem to be making my point all that well in words.... ahem.

ok that was unclear - it sounded like you were saying we all just weren't using it properly

but believe me, making my series wasn't exactly just knocked up on a whim - it was because I spent so much time working with them that I decided I wasn't keen

of course, in the process of making my point it sounds like I don't see any merit at all in them, which is not true as there are some good uses for them

in reality the big glaring problem is all related to the visual aspect - as in I get completely lost in the big grey maze

I know Impulse had some major shortcomings, but IMO it wouldnt have taken much to fix and I would far prefer that immediacy - click slot>parameters appear

believe me, no one is more disappointed than me that it isn't working for me, so I've certainly tried, it just leads to madness on any kind of decent sized rack

and to be clear - making the rack is not the problem, using it to make music is

[forge]

the idea which comes to mind from reading all (most?) of this...

a "parameter container" device

in which you can create knobs, buttons, etc. to control parameters from elsewhere.

the device can be placed anywhere. it is not a part of signal flow, but is a monitor point and manipulation point for parameters from any location...

with this you could keep the existing rack structures without backtracking in development, but make your own "impulse 2.0" collection of controls for the racked simpler(s) and FX which would be found on a drum rack chain.

incorporate that in a default, and it would be generated automatically when pulling samples in.

there would be a lot of cool things you could do with it.

yep - this is the kind of thing I've been thinking - just normal group tracks with some kind of control plug-in(s)

but as AndyDes and I were discussing a couple of pages back, we're almost heading into the territory of just having one big 'super' rack that can have anything in it, including Tracks, and it just has lots of show/hide buttons on it

but actually I think it would be better to just focus on group tracks and have a plug-in

[lunabass]

and to be clear - making the rack is not the problem, using it to make music is

+1. well said old bean.

i think about lives functionality a lot as i get to teach it to new users.
by the time i get to teaching live my students have an extensive knowledge of reason and some basic pro tools knowledge...in other words they have something to compare live to.

the lectures go a little something like this:
look at how i can drag and drop audio onto a track - students reaction is "wow"
look at how new audio syncs to the audio already in the set - students reaction is "wow"
look at how i can play the audio at any tempo - students reaction is "wow"
look at how easy it is to just drag and drop plug-ins onto a track - students reaction is "wow"
look at how easily send and returns are implemented - "wow"

u get the gist. people love how ableton have implemented so many parts of this program and how intuitive it is to use compared to say pro tools.

unfortunately the lectures get a little wobbly and this is due to the fact that some of the more advanced features have been shoe horned into the bottom section of the screen. I can see the frowns on their faces as i show them racks or even setting up your own sampler patches. anything that has been shoe-horned into that bottom pane seems to most new users to be just that...a pain

[Machinate]

some of the more advanced features have been shoe horned into the bottom section of the screen. I can see the frowns on their faces as i show them racks or even setting up your own sampler patches. anything that has been shoe-horned into that bottom pane seems to most new users to be just that...a pain

+1. well said too old bean, heheh.
I fully agree. And then for some stupid reason the zones in Sampler and the bands of the Spectrum pop up! WHY doesn't this happen with racks or something? That feature would be SO much more useful there.

[R.J.Dubya]

some of the more advanced features have been shoe horned into the bottom section of the screen. I can see the frowns on their faces as i show them racks or even setting up your own sampler patches. anything that has been shoe-horned into that bottom pane seems to most new users to be just that...a pain

+1. well said too old bean, heheh.
I fully agree. And then for some stupid reason the zones in Sampler and the bands of the Spectrum pop up! WHY doesn't this happen with racks or something? That feature would be SO much more useful there.

hallelujah!

I swear I've made a feature request for this, or at least brought up the idea. Couldn't find it in a search though.

It just makes sense. The midi editor/clip automation view can already extend, and now so can sampler zones and spectrum. They've just gotta design a way to make the instruments and racks extent upwards.

You gotta think it'll make it in one of these days......

[koneko]

some of the more advanced features have been shoe horned into the bottom section of the screen. I can see the frowns on their faces as i show them racks or even setting up your own sampler patches. anything that has been shoe-horned into that bottom pane seems to most new users to be just that...a pain

+1. well said too old bean, heheh.
I fully agree. And then for some stupid reason the zones in Sampler and the bands of the Spectrum pop up! WHY doesn't this happen with racks or something? That feature would be SO much more useful there.

hallelujah!

I swear I've made a feature request for this, or at least brought up the idea. Couldn't find it in a search though.

It just makes sense. The midi editor/clip automation view can already extend, and now so can sampler zones and spectrum. They've just gotta design a way to make the instruments and racks extent upwards.

You gotta think it'll make it in one of these days......

i enjoy reading this thread. i started this http://www.ableton.com/forum/viewtopic. ... 555#705555 in the feature wishlist section some days ago, thinking of how to simplify the the way racks are displayed

[baseinstinct]

but not when a sample is put into the drum rack.

any workaround?

-When I loaded a sample, it was default 100% velocity. It's annoying to have to turn this up on Simpler every time I drop in a sample, especially if I'm auditioning a bunch in a row.

You can create your own default Simpler preset with velocity set at whatever % you need.

[Michael Hatsis]

track delay can be really useful for creating swing/groove - delaying the snare or hi-hat slightly for example

Sweetjesus first pointed it out and I totally agree
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You can use a simple delay for this - set all the way wet. better tan track delay and you can use clip envelopes for extra swing...

Drum Racks work fine for me, wish you could expand them height wise though. I Like the fact that your not tied to a specific set of controls with them like impulse, you can drop in a Sampler, Reaktor patch , pluggo...

I have other beefs with them, but they're pretty flexible...

[forge]

track delay can be really useful for creating swing/groove - delaying the snare or hi-hat slightly for example

Sweetjesus first pointed it out and I totally agree

You can use a simple delay for this - set all the way wet. better tan track delay and you can use clip envelopes for extra swing...

Drum Racks work fine for me, wish you could expand them height wise though. I Like the fact that your not tied to a specific set of controls with them like impulse, you can drop in a Sampler, Reaktor patch , pluggo...

I have other beefs with them, but they're pretty flexible...[/quote]

at the end of the day it's clips I miss the most - but I'm really talking about the inline mixer there rather than drum racks

also today though, something I remembered, trying to use the inline rack mixer to select a chain within a rack and if any of the parameters are mapped to macros then you can't adjust them - you have to go back to the main rack

yeah I think the adjustable height is the big one - if you could do that a lot of my complaints would go I think

[Michael Hatsis]

at the end of the day it's clips I miss the most - but I'm really talking about the inline mixer there rather than drum racks

yeah I think the adjustable height is the big one - if you could do that a lot of my complaints would go I think

hear you on the clips, Would be great if when you unfolded the inline mixer the Clips would populate the vertical chains with the its respective MIDI notes...the wierd thing is that you drag a chain outside to another track and it will create a track with a clip containing only the MIDI notes for that chain - but how often does that come up?

also today though, something I remembered, trying to use the inline rack mixer to select a chain within a rack and if any of the parameters are mapped to macros then you can't adjust them - you have to go back to the main rack

yah - first thing i want to do if i see macros mapped that i didnt map myself is to just delete them all. but then unmapping kills the whole preset so i stop myself. not trying to be conceited that my mappings are better than others, but its just i know why i mapped them and it was for a reason. i guess this should go in your live plugin thread...