What new can we do?

Clockpulse · Post by **Clockpulse** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:43 pm

Tone Deft wrote:

[rant]IMO all this is just DJ masturbation. it's not about you, it's about the music. the DJ should be up in the booth, unnoticed but with his/hew eye on the crowd. what's this pill DJs take that makes them such attention whores? it's not like launching clips is fun or interesting to watch, learn a real instrument, this is simpleton stuff when it comes to performance. play a full drum set on stage, that's talent.[/rant]

If you really think that learning Digital-Audio software, and programming your music, and working with MIDI and coding is easy than you're mistaken, just because you can learn chords, scales, progressions, paradiddles, triplets,odd-time signatures, doesn't mean your more talented than the next guy. Talent is what you DO with your "knowledge" in music.

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:50 pm

well that makes tone REAL talented... look at his post count, real knowledgeable...

post a fucking song, tone.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:53 pm

fagsack

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 6:54 pm

Clockpulse wrote:If you really think that learning Digital-Audio software, and programming your music, and working with MIDI and coding is easy than you're mistaken

agreed. when I tell people I make electronic music often they eventually come back with "yeah but making house/trance/whatever music is easy." so I tell them to go do it, they make excuses.

just because you can learn chords, scales, progressions, paradiddles, triplets,odd-time signatures, doesn't mean your more talented than the next guy. Talent is what you DO with your "knowledge" in music.

sure, and why does a DJ need to be watched if all he's doing is launching clips? BORING! so give him a punching bag to make his movements larger, but so what? then there's the lame thing synth players do, stick their elbows high in the air to exaggerate that they're turning a knob. people have ranted about that since the early days of Depeche Mode (great band, just saying.)

BUT that's what people have been exposed to and in hindsight I think it's just part of the new paradigm of seeing live music.

and like you pointed out there are acts out there that are more interesting to watch than the simplified examples I gave. basically I think DJ worship is teh lame. but there are so many different kinds of acts, I got into a blanket statement.

I'm also reading into this "how can I get people to pay more attention to ME when I'm on stage."

broad topic.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:02 pm

when I tell people I make electronic music often they eventually come back with "yeah but making house/trance/whatever music is easy." so I tell them to go do it, they make excuses.

If i get that thrown at me, I just start blabbering of the technical aspects until they go away. They know dick of it all. fuckas

Mesmer · Post by **Mesmer** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:02 pm

Oh,
and Farm Animals...

let's not forget that as audio sources in the city become more and more repackaged and rebranded, major sampling houses will return to the country and thus we will see a boom of Farming and Farm Animals sample collections.

-h

sxezskoz · Post by **sxezskoz** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:04 pm

The genre name? Farmhouse. boom tiss MOO clap

pepezabala · Post by **pepezabala** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:04 pm

hmm, I believe that in 2018 techno, glitchytronica and breakcore will be where heavy metal was in the nineties - more or less everything will have been done, but it still sells to the masses and has a few innovations from time to time. but nothing revolutionary new.

musicians will have quite a few new toys to play with - imagine intelligent instruments, that can listen and understand music, maybe horns that automatically play in the right scale if you jam with others; or drums that will synkopate if you hit a special angle etc.
Probably there will be fully autonomous daws - you just whistle a melody to them and they might start to arrange symphonies with it. Feed them with some music you like and your whistled song will be automatically produced in a similar sound as your favourite track.

then again a whole lot of people will get tired of all this digital virtual stuff and re-appreciate handmade music. And all the kids that have grown up with all kinds of digital music will be doing quite different stuff on normal instruments - like those crazy drummers that already today do this sequenced drum'n'bass stuff live on a drumkit. Imagine strange synthesis-stuff played on clarinets and violins.

Expression and performance will be important. People will go to see a concert because they want to see someone performing - good sounding music might be available anywhere anytime, but to see a good performer in a live-situation will remain a very special thing - because there are not so many really good performers.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:10 pm

sxezskoz wrote:The genre name? Farmhouse. boom tiss MOO clap

inspiration

Clockpulse · Post by **Clockpulse** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:17 pm

pepezabala wrote:
then again a whole lot of people will get tired of all this digital virtual stuff and re-appreciate handmade music. And all the kids that have grown up with all kinds of digital music will be doing quite different stuff on normal instruments - like those crazy drummers that already today do this sequenced drum'n'bass stuff live on a drumkit. Imagine strange synthesis-stuff played on clarinets and violins.
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Yeah look at half the stuff on Aphex Twin's Drukqs album, whole tracks made with prepared instruments, pianos, but using MIDI for sequencing.

if you ask me we figured out alot in this last centurey, it's time to use it for music again.

A few posts earlier people were saying things about "Jimi Hendrixes"

There will only be him that affected people and the world the way he did.
he WANTED to feel that way he was playing.

but there's enough room for everybody, it's dumb to try and "further" a genre of music or try and you know expand on techno, just try and work hard so you become good at assembling molecules that hit people's ears and make them feel good

dcease · Post by **dcease** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:22 pm

@tone,

that's cool. it was just a joke, but yeah, i got you.

like i came to your house or something. like i don't have the emails, and links.

have a great life.

thefool · Post by **thefool** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:26 pm

dcease wrote:@tone,

that's cool. it was just a joke, but yeah, i got you.

like i came to your house or something. like i don't have the emails, and links.

have a great life.

whine

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:32 pm

pepezabala wrote:hmm, I believe that in 2018 techno, glitchytronica and breakcore will be where heavy metal was in the nineties - more or less everything will have been done, but it still sells to the masses and has a few innovations from time to time. but nothing revolutionary new.

2018? More like 2009.

The new Electronica is quickly catching up with Hip Hop for being uninspired, repetitive, and carbon copy of whatever everybody else is doing.

Clockpulse · Post by **Clockpulse** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:41 pm

NOTHING IS NEW

NOBODY INVENTS, JUST DISCOVER or uncover?

Machinate · Post by **Machinate** » Mon Jun 16, 2008 7:43 pm

first. you must unlearn what you have learned.