Wraping for djing. Too much work

hugolp · Post by **hugolp** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:04 pm

Hi!

Basically thats it. I would love to dj with live but I think that having to espend arround 5-10 minutes per track wraping (how much does it take you?) is too much. It makes me lazy about trying new songs. I just will stick with my cd desks, until some program or some options lets you wrap a dance track automatically (is it that dificult for 4/4 styles?).

Maybe I am talking nonsense now, but what about an fx that let you control the track like a desk. You wrap the song just guessing the bpm (usually after a while it goes wrong). You have one track in audio 1 and the second track in audio 2 When you feel they are going out of sync you advance or slow down one of the tracks a little bit with an fx. Is that posible?

Hugo

globalgoon · Post by **globalgoon** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 1:56 pm

if the track keeps to tempo, then i can warp it in about 15-30 seconds.

1 move first marker to a bar downbeat
2 set loop to 1 bar
3 adjust clip tempo by dragging the timeline
4 set loop to 8 and adjust tempo slightly
5 set loop to 32 and adjust tempo slightly
6 set loop to 96 or 128 and adjust tempo slightly
7 voila

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Mon Oct 04, 2004 3:27 pm

Great for tracks ripped from CD. Not to hot for the tracks you've taken the time of ripping from vinyl.

globalgoon · Post by **globalgoon** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 5:43 pm

get a good turntable

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Tue Oct 05, 2004 6:02 pm

Maybe you're right, globalGOON. What would you suggest I get to replace my 1200's and my 07proD, though???

Clown.

logicat2001 · Post by **logicat2001** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 7:47 am

If you're concerned about the amount of time it takes to accurately set warp markers for long tracks, you absolutely, positively must read this kick-@$$ article.

It's brilliant, effective and fast. It's something you could actually accomplish on the fly and it actually works! Chris was so right on the money when he realized:

The mistake I was making and I believe many others is that we are warping the track from LEFT TO RIGHT. The more you warp from left to right the more out of sync the track is later on so more warping is required. Very annoying I always thought and knew there had to be an easier way. IM Now warping from RIGHT TO LEFT

Check it out then send thanks to the author, Chris Cowie.

Best,
Logicat

hugolp · Post by **hugolp** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:56 am

I had read that allredy, but still takes me time to wrap. I guess is a question of practice. But I am so use to get a new song and just play with it...

Thanks for the answers

Hugo

bod · Post by **bod** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 10:11 am

did you buy your decks and be able to mix perfectly straight away? i think not

so practise makes perfect, the more you warp, the quicker you get at it. life sucks huh?

alternatively, you could always try traktor if you havent already

globalgoon · Post by **globalgoon** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 12:33 pm

Patch wrote:Maybe you're right, globalGOON. What would you suggest I get to replace my 1200's and my 07proD, though???

Clown.

If they won't keep to the same pitch over a whole track, then you probably need to get them serviced, I've been recording stuff from vinyl for years and never had problems with wandering pitch.

colossus · Post by **colossus** » Wed Oct 06, 2004 9:39 pm

FWIW, I don't use Ableton for DJing sequential song files. For that I've been successfully using a cheap-but-stable DJ app. In combination with a Korg Kaoss mixer, I can do some pretty creative mixing in terms of loops, overdubs, sampling and FX. So I've no intention of ploughing through all my dance MP3s, converting them into huge wav files and warp marking them from start to end - just to play them broadly sequentially in Live.

However, Ableton excites the hell out of me because I know that in a few months' time I will be able to deconstruct songs, add loops and sounds from elsewhere and generally create something new. Building a decent library of songs loops and fragments will take time - but eight bar wav fragments will clutter up my HDD a lot less than hours of whole songs, and the payoff will surely be worth it.

Yours frustratedly - as I'm at my parents in law and haven't brought my laptop.....

MarkH · Post by **MarkH** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:07 am

Patch wrote:
Great for tracks ripped from CD. Not to hot for the tracks you've taken the time of ripping from vinyl.

I rip from vinyl all the time. I use Peak, but whatever you use just highlight and delete the dead space before the first kick drum. Seriously, it takes about an extra 10 seconds. That way when you drag the clip into Live you don't have to fuss with the start time. Just tap the tempo, fine tune the grid marker, and your song will be locked in! Once in a while, minor tweaking required with a warp marker or two. I warp entire songs in about 60 seconds.

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:56 am

not to be anal or anything but its warp not wrap hugolp,

okay maybe i am anal.

sorry for the correction

serotoninsteve · Post by **serotoninsteve** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:26 am

MarkH wrote:
Patch wrote:
Great for tracks ripped from CD. Not to hot for the tracks you've taken the time of ripping from vinyl.
I rip from vinyl all the time. I use Peak, but whatever you use just highlight and delete the dead space before the first kick drum. Seriously, it takes about an extra 10 seconds. That way when you drag the clip into Live you don't have to fuss with the start time. Just tap the tempo, fine tune the grid marker, and your song will be locked in! Once in a while, minor tweaking required with a warp marker or two. I warp entire songs in about 60 seconds.

Hey Mark, to open your track in Peak, highlight the silence, remove it, save a new file and reopen it in Live takes more than 10 seconds!
I always tap the tempo, push warp and then just move the first marker to the 1st kick, gives the same result!
I understand when directly recording into peak it´s a bit different, but when you remove the silence the wave must be recalculated, so why not record directly into Live and just ignore the silence, saves a lot of work and time!

Greetings

Steve

MarkH · Post by **MarkH** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 2:54 pm

serotoninsteve wrote: marker or two. I warp entire songs in about 60 seconds.

Hey Mark, to open your track in Peak, highlight the silence, remove it, save a new file and reopen it in Live takes more than 10 seconds!

The extra 10 seconds I was refering to has nothing to do with loading Live. What I meant is that instead of recording, stopping, and saving, I record, highlight silence at start of track, delete, then save. THAT adds about 5-10 seconds but is worth it for me. Keeps things clean.

5dots · Post by **5dots** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 7:02 pm

too much work. jeez. it's not like you people have to actually get up and physically do anything.

bottom line is, if you practice doing it, you'll get better at it. and if you really want to do the cool stuff that live lets you do, you'll figure out how to do it.