If you are a producer BEWARE ..Illegal Mp3 Pirates selling!!

distraub · Post by **distraub** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 5:54 pm

they have a couple titles of mine too damn!

Cryocon · Post by **Cryocon** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:16 pm

They have a load of my music on there so i'm going to do all i can to stop them.

milfbait · Post by **milfbait** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 9:20 pm

Yeah, speaking of stealing, I was looking for prices of software through google and I found this site. I've reported it, but it's still up and running.

http://www.software-3000.com/full-cds.php?letter=C

monolake · Post by **monolake** » Fri Oct 08, 2004 11:47 pm

Some of my music is also there.
Grrrrrrrrrrrrr

Robert

Burt · Post by **Burt** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 1:18 am

loads of my material too... some of it on a major label - they have started legal proceedings already...

Burt

astromass · Post by **astromass** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:20 am

http://www.jetgroove.com/results.html?p ... on+shuttle

damn, me too.....WTF?

hey, email me offsite and i'll send u a FREE cd...fuck these weirdos...

Komplex · Post by **Komplex** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:49 am

if they're pulling this sort of shit now, imagine how much they would fuck you over if you did create some sort of agreement with them.

taylor12k · Post by **taylor12k** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:02 am

what do you mean you can't get angry? jetgroove has falsely advertised a relationship with you, provided prices for your music without discussing it with you, and is using your name (as well as countless others) without permission to market their services... and then admits to their behavior as a tactic to "get our attention".

this behavior is unethical. why didn't they simply email the labels and start deals? all they have succeeding in doing is ruining any potential relationships they may have had.

this jetgroove business has been quite a hot topic all day .. all around the world. it's going to come down on them.. and i'm really curious to hear their response.

(taylor / 12k)

experimedia wrote:So apparently I cant get too angry. I do however find it rather strange that they put stuff on thier site that they are unable to sell but then again I guess it makes sense as far as a marketing stand point. They could then contact the labels/artists....and say we have so and so many people interested in purchaseing your music through us for this much and you would get this much from it....this is what we can offer to do for you etc. But I wonder what they do....do they wait and contact you or do they wait for the labels/artists to realize thier music is on the site and then angrily contact them before they explain what is going on. It would make much more sense to contact the artists/labels before hand. I dunno its just weird. I was surprised to find such an obscure release such as the one from my label on thier site. Hmm.

Amberience · Post by **Amberience** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 4:23 am

Whilst the idea that anyone thinks they can own sound somewhat bothers me, I do still think that artists SHOULD get penance for their work. After all, they created it, thus they deserve some monetary credit. Even if we're conduits, we're an integral part of the music process.

We all have to eat.

These people are cheeky fuckers. Even if they do seek to strike a deal with any artists, they don't say that the artist gets any of the money. Wankers.

the ar · Post by **the ar** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:01 pm

What does JetGroove do?

JetGroove is a web site that features music by independent and underground artists doing alternative music from all over the world. We work with record labels that allow us to have and sell music produced by their artists on our website. We write about the music and arrange it so you can find what you're looking for in our ever-growing catalog. So basically we are a link between those who make alternative music and those who want to buy it.

What you'll probably notice right away (we hope) is the quality of the music. What makes us different from other MP3 sites is our editorial focus. It's our goal to feature only the best music out there. We devote a lot of our energy to searching for stuff that's worth your time, so you don't have to.

JetGroove is a place to discover great new music. If you browse through the site, we're sure you will not leave without buying a track that you like.

Yeah, right...

monolake · Post by **monolake** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 2:44 pm

No not right. The key word is "allowed us". If they would only sell music or offer music from business partners who are aware of the fact that they are business partners, we would not have this thread here.
After exchanging a bunch of mails with them it looks to me like they did not realise that what they were doing is wrong. This is sad, since there would be a need for more interesting mp3 stores....but they lost the chance to work with them in the future.

Robert

montrealbreaks · Post by **montrealbreaks** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 5:51 pm

I think the best course of action here would be twofold;

1. Contact JetGroove. Tell them that if they don't immediately remove your music, you will contact the Russian consulate in your country, and your country's ministry or Dept of Foreign Affairs / International Trade. The Russian government normally doesn't care about intellectual property theft... But, they have a KEEN interest in cracking down on copyright violations and intellectual property theft when there's a formal complaint lodged. That's because they're continuously trying to protray themselves as "legitimizing" their economy. That should scare the pants off JetGroove.

2. If they don't remove your music, follow through on your threat within a week or so.

That's what I'm doing. Civil legal action is pointless, you'll never win a case like this, and if you do, it won't be for months or years, and you won't see a cent.

drush · Post by **drush** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 7:15 pm

i'm sure that this will fail soon enough simply because of all the ill will they have created. but keep in mind that way they are doing may not technically be illegal in russia. as those of you who are familiar with allofmp3.com may know, in Russia they have what's called a compulsory licensing law which means that you simply have to make a payment to the appropriate body to sell music online, without requiring permission of the label owner. the thing is that, while they have the right to sell, you don't necessarily have the right to buy because the rest of the world doesn't have the same law and purchase of music is subject to the laws of the buyers country.

drumroll57 · Post by **drumroll57** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:30 pm

Well, theoretically they could be DDOS'ed into oblivion....or force their ISP terminate their services for violation of TOS (terms of service), probably easy, especially if they are in Canada. DDOS them again when they resurface.

Call or email their ISP, report them to SPAMCOP if they do mailings, try to make their life impossible.

Come on, some of you must know script kiddies, no? Or how about some REAL black hats? (.....silence)

Just wondering if being all nice and proper is the best way to go about it. And make sure that no labels you know grant them any rights at all.

Just some thoughts to kick around.

D.

drumroll57 · Post by **drumroll57** » Sat Oct 09, 2004 10:36 pm

Here's some more info someone posted on the breakbeat site:

Please check it before calling the ISP, I can't as I am overseas.

The server the site is running on looks to be in CANADA, whether or not the person running the site is actually in the UK or not is uncertain but the address given on the site and the address the "jetgroove.com" domain isregistered to both look false.

the IP address of the jetgroove web server is: 64.71.134.150

now, if you go here: http://ws.arin.net/cgi-bin/whois.pl?que ... 71.134.150 you will see that their web host is a company called "Hurricane Electric" and here is their web site http://www.he.net/index.html

This company operates in the following address:
Hurricane Electric
760 Mission Court
Fremont, CA 94539

Voice 510.580.4100
Fax 510.580.4151

( http://www.he.net/contacts.html )

he he, I think you all know what to do, a few emails or letters of complaint threatening legal action again the web host should have that site took down pretty soon.

SO WHAT U WAITING FOR!

If you are a producer BEWARE ..Illegal Mp3 Pirates selling!!

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