Quantizing a (real) live drummer

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Quantizing a (real) live drummer

Post by bassµnkie » Fri Jul 04, 2008 6:51 am

I'm new to live (and this website) and I have a song with a live drummer that I want to quantize so that I can beatmatch to it. It fluctuates between 131bpm, and probably about 136/7ish. How can I go about doing this? The warp feature isn't working out, it keeps the seperate bpms seperate so at one point it'll be at 131 and a bar later it'll be at 134... I feel like this has had to have been posted before, so if this is anyway redundant can I get a link to the article, and a response concerning how exactly you found it? There has to be a search forum thing around here somewhere. Thanks :)

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Post by bassµnkie » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:19 am

No love? :( Can I get a +1 or -1 if anyone else has had this problem?

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Post by longjohns » Sun Jul 06, 2008 5:40 am

it sounds like you're doing something incorrectly with your warping

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Re: Quantizing a (real) live drummer

Post by Angstrom » Sun Jul 06, 2008 1:38 pm

bassµnkie wrote:I'm new to live (and this website) and I have a song with a live drummer that I want to quantize so that I can beatmatch to it. It fluctuates between 131bpm, and probably about 136/7ish. How can I go about doing this? The warp feature isn't working out, it keeps the seperate bpms seperate so at one point it'll be at 131 and a bar later it'll be at 134... I feel like this has had to have been posted before, so if this is anyway redundant can I get a link to the article, and a response concerning how exactly you found it? There has to be a search forum thing around here somewhere. Thanks :)
Do you want the drummer to be quantized, or do you want the song to lock to the drummer?

If it is the second one you need to put the drummer's recording in Arrangement and look at its clip settings, activate the "master" switch, this will make it the master tempo of the song.

Now- when you put warp markers into the drummer audio it will not warp the drummer, but the drummer will govern the tempo of the song. So when your drummer speeds up to 134 and then drifts back down to 130 the whole song will do the same.

It depends what sort of music you are making.

If it is intended for DJs and a dancefloor, they will not thank you for a fluctuating BPM ... but if you are making 'real' music ;) then a bit of push and pull in the tempo might be just what is needed.

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Re: Quantizing a (real) live drummer

Post by bassµnkie » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:45 am

Angstrom wrote:
bassµnkie wrote:
Do you want the drummer to be quantized, or do you want the song to lock to the drummer?

If it is the second one you need to put the drummer's recording in Arrangement and look at its clip settings, activate the "master" switch, this will make it the master tempo of the song.

Now- when you put warp markers into the drummer audio it will not warp the drummer, but the drummer will govern the tempo of the song. So when your drummer speeds up to 134 and then drifts back down to 130 the whole song will do the same.

It depends what sort of music you are making.

If it is intended for DJs and a dancefloor, they will not thank you for a fluctuating BPM ... but if you are making 'real' music ;) then a bit of push and pull in the tempo might be just what is needed.
I want the drummer to be quantized because this will be used by djs, specifically myself :P. What I've done so far is I've taken it into recycle and put markers on every beat so when i pull it up in reason i have 561 slices.

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Post by leedsquietman » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:43 am

Learn how to warp or pay someone to do it, there are people on this forum who have offered warping services for a small fee.

Live is not going to get it right every time on auto warping, it sometimes needs the user to help it along.


Follow the tutorials, and go on youtube and research ableton live warping, there are 36 videos on how to do it ...

this was one that was pretty easy to follow
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWv6Ef-M ... re=related
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Re: Quantizing a (real) live drummer

Post by longjohns » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:30 am

bassµnkie wrote: I've taken it into recycle and put markers on every beat
cool now forget about that and just do the same in Live

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Post by bassµnkie » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:23 am

Thanks for the videos, sorry noob questions are annoying. lol. I hate this part of the learning process.

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