mixing tracks with different BPMs

[mrfart]

I've been using live as a dj for 2 years now I think.
But there's one thing I still don't know how to do, and if it's even possible.

Sometimes it would be nice to mix tracks that are set to different BPMs.

For example:

I'm playing a electro track at 130 bpm, and the next track is a dnb track at 180 bpm.
As far as I know, live gives me 2 possibilities:
1. just speed up lives bpm, so the electro track becomes ridiculesly fast,

2. turn of warp in the dnb track, but lose all control over that track.

Is it possible somehow to start the 180 bpm track on another bpm (say, for example 170 bpm) than the main live bpm, without affecting the track that is allready playing.
And then, after I've mixed out the 130 bpm track, switch the main live bpm to the new speed (170)?

Hope this is somewhat clear. But I can't be the only one facing this problem.

Afterall, the first thing a great DJ told me when I first started dj-ing with turntables back in the 90ties was: You don't necessarily have to beatmatch EVERYTHING!

Thanks in advance for any help.

[mrfart]

I'm gonna tkae the liberty to bump this (sorry).
Like I said, it's a very important part of mixing for most dj's (switching to faster/slower track without adjusting the bpm).
And I can't believe I'm the only one wondering about this.

[gordontinnitus]

i'd also like to know if this is possible... i had even considered using two laptops and two copies of ableton lol

i'd also like to know if theres a way to warp recordings which change tempo and preserve the tempo change in the clip.... i doubt it tho! Shame cos I have so many tunes which do that! Guess I'll be using vinyl for a while longer lol

[mrfart]

Yeah, I sometimes play with another dj, so then we can switch between laptops.
I also have troubles with tracks that have changing tempos.
In a way, live freed me to mix tracks that I never was able to mix with vinyl.
But on the other hand I now sometimes feel "slaved" to the beat

[audiovoid]

Its possible with Live's Scene renaming function.
Just rename any scene and include _____bpm at the end of the title (example:"scene 2 100bpm").
you'll notice that the scene Play button turns orange. Now when you fire off the scene Live will automatically bump the tempo to 100bpm (or whatever amount you named the scene with).
Great feature for transitions, or large tempo changes.

[mrfart]

Its possible with Live's Scene renaming function.
Just rename any scene and include _____bpm at the end of the title (example:"scene 2 100bpm").
you'll notice that the scene Play button turns orange. Now when you fire off the scene Live will automatically bump the tempo to 100bpm (or whatever amount you named the scene with).
Great feature for transitions, or large tempo changes.

Maybe I'm not doing this right, but when you start a scene, all previous tracks outside that scene, stop playing. Right?
What I wanted to do is keep the tracks that are already playing, playing at their original speed and then bring in a new track at a new speed WITHOUT speeding up or slowing down the tracks that are already playing to the new tempo.
Launching a new scene causes a radical "cut" to the tracks in that scene, or am I wrong?

[ytsek]

You can remove the stop button on slots. But when you go to another scene with a different tempo the old clip will stay playing but with the bpm of the new scene.

[audiovoid]

You can remove the stop button on slots. But when you go to another scene with a different tempo the old clip will stay playing but with the bpm of the new scene.

Yea what he said. Right click any clip slot or group of slots and choose "remove stop button" from the context menu.
In my own Live sets I hit strl A and remove the stop buttons from every slot in the whole set. That way I can't accidentally trigger and empty slot and potentially stop the music.

[mrfart]

You can remove the stop button on slots. But when you go to another scene with a different tempo the old clip will stay playing but with the bpm of the new scene.

Yea what he said. Right click any clip slot or group of slots and choose "remove stop button" from the context menu.
In my own Live sets I hit strl A and remove the stop buttons from every slot in the whole set. That way I can't accidentally trigger and empty slot and potentially stop the music.

Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't solve the real problem here:)

[Machinate]

You can remove the stop button on slots. But when you go to another scene with a different tempo the old clip will stay playing but with the bpm of the new scene.

Yea what he said. Right click any clip slot or group of slots and choose "remove stop button" from the context menu.
In my own Live sets I hit strl A and remove the stop buttons from every slot in the whole set. That way I can't accidentally trigger and empty slot and potentially stop the music.

Thanks for the tip, but it doesn't solve the real problem here:)

yes it does. One track is unwarped, the next is warped. You come in at the same bpm as the unwarped track, let that play, then when you want to mix in the fast track, launch its scene and you're now at the faster bpm without changing the previous track. And yes, that involves removing a stop button or two.

[mrfart]

yes it does. One track is unwarped, the next is warped. You come in at the same bpm as the unwarped track, let that play, then when you want to mix in the fast track, launch its scene and you're now at the faster bpm without changing the previous track. And yes, that involves removing a stop button or two.

Emm,
Mixing with unwarped tracks isn't really doable. You can't control the bpm in any way, you can't even control the starting possition in your track. I don't know, maybe I'm totally not getting what you are trying to say.

[Machinate]

well, if want two different bpms then I'd reckon you would need at least one of the tracks to be unwarped - otherwise you WILL have that really fast electro track you mention. Can't have one without the other.

[mrfart]

well, if want two different bpms then I'd reckon you would need at least one of the tracks to be unwarped - otherwise you WILL have that really fast electro track you mention. Can't have one without the other.

That's what I was affraid of.
I hope in the future ableton will make it possible to start a new track/scene at a new BPM, while letting the previous tracks play at the previous BPM.
This would let a whole new range of DJs use this software, I think.

[jimmynitcher]

You could put the unwarped tracks in the arrange view and map markers to jump from one place to another instead of using the Session grid.

[rabblebasics]

not sure if this helps, but you could try starting with say your electro track (130 bpm) and eq three it and just slow kill the lows and move the crossfade closer to the dnb track (170 bpm, warped) and kill the highs /mids and bring in your dnb track warped at a low volume with just the lows playing at 130 bpm via ableton's tempo control. you could then preced to 'jam' out your transition by gettin glitchy and drag out bpm's with the tempo or just typing a new bpm in.

if your not trying to fuck too much with the tracks, a quick cross fade would be set the electro to a and the dnb to b and like i was saying crossfade it at 130 bpm. once you've messed the highs/mids/lows between the tracks however you'd like, try speeding up abletons tempo to like 150 (or whatever is half-way between your two tracks) and then let the dnb beat/lows build and from that point slowly fade the rest of your track in as you slowly fade out the electro track. whenever your ready, just type in your new exact bpm of your dnb track and put it in ableton's tempo control and BOOM, both tracks are warped still and you have COMPLETE control over their tempos. dont be afraid to mesh the two tracks, its called style and if you make it sound good then no one will ever know you changed tracks.

not sure if you vibe, let me know if you got any questions