the disclosure project - ufos exist, no really!

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:01 am

ThrowAway wrote:
gjm wrote:It takes the same thought processes to believe in Aliens as it does in God.

None of the common folk have proof. Only the 'special' people in high places are in the know. It takes a calculated rational leap into the irrational, then a look backwards to find proof for your position, either way.
so how do you explain our existence and say its irrational that theres other life. you dont believe in god but you believe in an improbable miracle? Its either probable or improbable...right? Or Divine or not Divine. I dont really see that it has to be one or the other because I am religious but I dont get how a non religious person can disregard both aliens and god..not believing in god kind of forces you into believing theres nothing special about us and therefor if it can happen on earth it could happen in the millions of other earth like planets were conditions are very similar to earth, right?

Don't get me wrong...I have a fairly substantial set of experiences and theories that I am uncomfortably happy with for the moment. All I am saying is that the thought processes to be in either camp require the same leaps and therefore post rationalization processes.

Moody · Post by **Moody** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 3:43 am

Messengers of Deception: UFO Contacts and Cults

Too many cases of "accidental" alien contact...UFO cults praying to the skies...secret "psychotronic" weapons for bending the human mind. The evidence Jacques Vallee reveals, after many years of scientific investigation, adds up to something more menacing than monsters from outer space. Messengers of Deception documents the growing effect of UFO contact claims on our lives and of the belief systems prevalent in our society. It explores the hidden realities of the cults, the contactees, the murky political intrigues and the motivations of the investigators. "As suspenseful as a Hitchcock Thriller, brilliantly argued . . . a smashing achievement." - Robert Anton Wilson

Has anyone read this?

queglay · Post by **queglay** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 4:18 am

our conventional understanding of physic taught in universitys and schools is nowhere near the way things really work. yes, everything abides by laws, but we certainly dont know what the extent of those laws are.

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:36 am

Australians believe in Space Aliens, Americans believe in God

http://vridar.wordpress.com/2007/12/06/ ... ve-in-god/

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 6:15 am

Emissary wrote:The pope already said that aliens would sit very well with the christian religion.

Press release?

http://www.canada.com/topics/technology ... d4cb7153ac

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:20 am

ooh this thread has got very testy , people are so easy to wind up. i love the way people defend evolution in the exact same way people defend religion. They are both beliefs or theory's, (if they were fact then we could just stop science research right now). One has its evidence based in dodgy field work and the other in hear say.

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:24 am

Emissary wrote:i love the way people defend evolution in the exact same way people defend religion..

...in exactly the same way they defend ufo's and aliens.

queglay · Post by **queglay** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 8:25 am

and as for evolution, well that builds a pretty incomplete picture, at least for the story of humans.

there are at least 300 examples of well documented evidence of humans going back millions and even hundreds of millions of years.

if your curious to read something particularly thorough on the issue -
michael cremo - forbidden archeology
this documents the problem well, its dense, but very thorough.
the book "human devolution" is his alternative answer to darwinian evolution.

if your curious to hear him speak about it before getting such a book these interviews are pretty cool
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=KaY9k4-W0cc
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=owmYuv8rHiw

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:26 am

gjm wrote:
Emissary wrote:i love the way people defend evolution in the exact same way people defend religion..
...in exactly the same way they defend ufo's and aliens.

correctomondo, thats why i believe in all three theorys.

Meef Chaloin · Post by **Meef Chaloin** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:30 am

Emissary wrote:
gjm wrote:
Emissary wrote:i love the way people defend evolution in the exact same way people defend religion..
...in exactly the same way they defend ufo's and aliens.
correctomondo, thats why i believe in all three theorys.

exactly, they are not mutually exclusive, despite what the religious and scientific bigots preach

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:31 am

queglay wrote:and as for evolution, well that builds a pretty incomplete picture, at least for the story of humans.

there are at least 300 examples of well documented evidence of humans going back millions and even hundreds of millions of years.

if your curious to read something particularly thorough on the issue -
michael cremo - forbidden archeology
this documents the problem well, its dense, but very thorough.
the book "human devolution" is his alternative answer to darwinian evolution.

if your curious to hear him speak about it before getting such a book these interviews are pretty cool
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=KaY9k4-W0cc
http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=owmYuv8rHiw

yeah those are some good books,

Tsarian is a pretty good synthesist too,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?doci ... QK31JD6Dw
nobody says you HAVE to believe these things, they are enjoyable to watch and should be cataloged in your brain somewhere between fiction and truth. but should never be dismissed out of hand.

BAKOY_MUSIC · Post by **BAKOY_MUSIC** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:39 am

this is the VATT

Popes like looking at stars with the best terrestial telescopes, wander why dudes?

http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VATT.html

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:49 am

BAKOY_MUSIC wrote:this is the VATT

Popes like looking at stars with the best terrestial telescopes, wander why dudes?

http://clavius.as.arizona.edu/vo/R1024/VATT.html

indeed. Now why would religion try to search space in an effort to annul its own religious beliefs. An interesting theory is the vatican truly is searching for god, but not as we expect, they are actually looking for the people who REALLY made us.

again thats theory.

Emissary · Post by **Emissary** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 9:57 am

http://www.spiritandflesh.com/Christian ... ligion.htm

forge · Post by **forge** » Tue Jul 15, 2008 11:20 am

smutek wrote:The closest star to earth, aside from the sun, is Alpha Centauri, 4.3 light years away.

This means that if Alpha Centauri had exploded 4 years ago tonight we would not even see the light from the flash for about 3 or 4 more months.

Light travels at roughly one hundred eighty six thousand miles per second.

So think about it, 186 thousand miles per second and 4 years 4 months to see the flash. That's pretty far. And out of all of those stars up there in the sky that is the closest star I'm talking about.

Distance in space is so vast that our minds can not even begin to comprehend. Picture how long it would take you to walk 50 miles. Picture how far it is to the other side of the world.

Picture a single grain of sand sitting by itself in the center of a football stadium. Imagine that grain of sand is our solar system.

I'm not one for all of the alien conspiracy theories. But it's my opinion that with the universe being as mind numbingly large as it is, with all of those millions of stars you see out there in the night sky, and all of the ones you don't see, all making up their own solar systems with their own orbiting planets, with all of this vast, infinite space, well.......

It just seems silly to me to think that this planet is the only one with living creatures inhabiting it. What would be the odds of that? 1 in, well, infinity right?

And out of any other form of life that does happen to exist out there, to think that we would just happen to be the most advanced - another long shot if you ask me.

So, whether it's a piece of moss like vegetation growing on a rock on some plaet 60 billion light years away, or a race of hyper intelligent blobs just over the next galaxy, the odds that we are the only life sustaining planet in the universe are pretty slim I think.

And that is about as much thought as I put into it. I still get pissed off when I turn on the history channel and see "UFO Files".

yes but we have been industrialised about 400 years - I mean from steam technology to supercomputers in about that time, before then teechnology didn't change much in thousands of years - so most of what we know now is about 400 years worth of technological development

at the moment we already know there are things in the universe we just can't perceive, and I could totally believe that there are ways of moving through the universe that are completely different to how we travel now - we know very little really

what if one of these other worlds out there didn't have dinosaurs and the bi-pedal brainy beings evolved 65 million years ago? that's a lot of time to discover some freaky shit if we can go from steam power to genetic engineering in a few hundred years