Quantization/Groove Templates or an MPC?

Pollyrythm · Post by **Pollyrythm** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 9:46 am

Im about to move to Ableton to write, from Logic.

From what I can tell you cant set up groove templates in Ableton like you can in Logic.Is this right?

Can you swing quantize at all in Ableton? If you cant im going to buy an MPC to handle drums. I find hard to believe you cant set up groove templates, but ill purchase the MPC if I have to.

If this is the case, I was looking at the 2500. Is anyone else using a 2500 with Ableton? How are you looking after audio routing? Are you monitoring on your console/audio interface or in Ableton?

Thanks.

Pollyrythm · Post by **Pollyrythm** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:08 pm

Anyone?

klash · Post by **klash** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 12:48 pm

Actually there is some groove template in live, check about Global groove amount in the manual.
But in my opinion it doesn't sound as good as the mpc.
Before buying an mpc, I would suggest you to have a look at Fxpansion's Guru :
http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=4
works really well with live and you'll get the great mpc swing + a lot more.

Pollyrythm · Post by **Pollyrythm** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 1:01 pm

klash wrote:Actually there is some groove template in live, check about Global groove amount in the manual.
But in my opinion it doesn't sound as good as the mpc.
Before buying an mpc, I would suggest you to have a look at Fxpansion's Guru :
http://www.fxpansion.com/index.php?page=4
works really well with live and you'll get the great mpc swing + a lot more.

Iv got Guru, that I was using with Logic. What put me off was the fact that you cant assign mono aux channels in multimode. I mean who wants a stereo kick drum?

Apparently, this was a logic specific issue, so we might be all cool here. I like the whole battery idea where you can have everycell on its own output. It seems with guru, you can only have each engine on its own output.

I also want to be able to flick through samples really quickly. I find it so much more intuitive when I can load up a bank of hats on say an EXS24 patch & just *find* the right one or something that with a bit of work sounds really cool.

Hey can you load the MPC groove templates that are floating around the net into Guru?

DJ VAKIS · Post by **DJ VAKIS** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 2:03 pm

I am also looking for mpc groove templates.

Sleep Tyght · Post by **Sleep Tyght** » Tue Jul 08, 2008 4:21 pm

Pollyrythm wrote:
Hey can you load the MPC groove templates that are floating around the net into Guru?

You have to copy the MPC grove templates to your Guru grooves folder.

Bagle · Post by **Bagle** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 9:56 pm

so no way to get the mpc groove templates into live?

same they should have this as an option

right ill do it in logic at a later stage

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:00 pm

there is a feature where in arrange view if you put loops in multiple tracks and warp the top one, the ones below will follow. Live 6 and later I think, check your manual.

Bagle · Post by **Bagle** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:01 pm

so i put my drums on A
my template on B

warp B to the tempo and A will follow?

that what you mean Tone?

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:03 pm

template on A
drums on B

warp A, B follows (as would C, D, E, F...) it's used to warp entire bands that were recorded on separate tracks. the top track is the master.

Bagle · Post by **Bagle** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:05 pm

thanks

*kisses your.. ..em... knowledge*

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:10 pm

glad to help, it keeps me out of trouble, mostly.

I was kinda wrong, page 130 in the L7 manual

Multi-Clip Warping
When clips of equal length are multi-selected, adding or changing Warp Markers for one
clip will apply identical Warp Markers to all. This is convenient in any situation where several
tracks have the same rhythm, and you wish to alter the timing of each recording in the same
way. A common scenario would be when multi-tracking a band’s performance, where the
musicians all play in time with each other, yet the timing itself is in some way awed.

start reading on page 125.

ugh, it'd be GREAT if an actual Ableton employee who really knew this stuff would haunt the forum.

DJ VAKIS · Post by **DJ VAKIS** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:10 pm

Where can i find these templates?
Thanks

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:11 pm

DJ VAKIS wrote:Where can i find these templates?
Thanks

there are none but you can use this to use the groove from one loop to set others.

I haven't done this, I've just seen it discussed and read that bit of the manual. maybe someone can chime in with better advice.

Bagle · Post by **Bagle** » Wed Jul 16, 2008 10:13 pm

the old templates are available online if you google really hard haha