QuantiseOFF/Quantise 1bar for launching clips

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 11:41 am

I want to go from playing a live set, to playing turnatbles, then back to the live set.

Playing the live set I will have quantise set to 1bar. Then I will mix out of the last live clip, into the turntables and record from my turntables into Live (this is where I'll be doing some juggles and scratches).

I want to be able to mix from turntables, back into Live.

So, when doing my first blend/mix (from TTs back to Live) I'll have launch quantise OFF, so that when I hit start on the clip, the clip will play (then I'll use a midi fader mapped to global tempo to beatmatch 'em just right).

BUT, after I've launched the first clip, I want to set the launch/global quantisation BACK to 1bar.

THIS IS WHERE MY HEAD HURTS!

I can't get the second clip and the first clip to play sync'd up! This is because they were launched at different quantise settings.

Anyone got a work around for this? Or am I just missing something?

jimbalaya · Post by **jimbalaya** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 2:38 pm

First! Do not change the global quantization, change the Quantization for a single track:

1. Double click on the clip that you want to have No Quantization, to display the Clip View
2. Click on the "L" in the bottom left corner of the Clip View for this clip - this will display the Launch Box
3. Change the Quantization to None for this clip by using the second pull down menu

This will allow just that clip to be triggered whenever you want - regardless of the global Quantization.

Now, in order to get back to the 1 bar quantization, do this:

1. Duplicate your un-quantized clip
2. Set the quantization to this new clip to 1 bar
3. In the un-quantized clip, find the beginning of a bar after the point you'll mix into this track (ie: if you mix into this track, un-quantized, at bar 8, then locate the beginning of bar 9 - NOTE - give yourself some leeway when you actually do this)
4. Set the follow action to start at that bar (in this example, it's set to 8,0,0)
5. Set the follow left pull down menu to "next" and give it a 1:0 ratio
6. Set the duplicate clip to have a start-point at the bar that you're mixing in on (in this example, bar 9)

So, what happens is - you mix into the unquantized track from your turntables, and soon thereafter (whichever bar you select) your follow action will automatically triggers your quantized duplicate beat so that there's a seamless transition from the un-quantized track to the quantized track.
Since no global quantization has changed, you will be able to use Live normally as soon as this changeover has occurred.

***EDIT***
I don't think this will actually work

3dot... · Post by **3dot...** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 4:44 pm

midi footpedal... tap tempo ?... don't change the global quantize...
or any quantize for that matter...

I dunno hadn't tried it ... but try tapping with yr foot 1 bar before you bring it back in...
try to stay in time when you do your stufff..... or double/half of it ...

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 11:33 am

Grrrrr...

jimbalaya · Post by **jimbalaya** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:22 pm

It seems to me that this should be possible - if not now, then with some coding ... Basically, you'd be taking the currently playing (not quantized) clip, and making the global quantization reset itself to the clip's quantization ... This would be absolutely horrible if you were playing multiple clips, but since you have the single clip in your case, it wouldn't matter.

Of course, that's all theoretical since I don't know of any current way to "reset" the global quantization without stopping everything and then starting up again.

At the moment, the best thing that I can think of is to end our turntable routine by mixing back into Live's global quantization (perhaps with the clip playing into your cue track while you're on the turntable)...

trucker · Post by **trucker** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 5:47 pm

Patch wrote:record from my turntables into Live (this is where I'll be doing some juggles and scratches)

I think the fact that you want to record back into Live is causing you problems.

I would suggest using another recording device (MP3 player, DAT etc.) to record everything. Then after you make the transition from Live to turntables, you can stop Live from playing.

When you want to mix back into Live, use the space bar to start your new track playing, with global quantization on. The new track will start right on the one. You can then use the nudge buttons to mix out of the record that is playing.

The Phat Conductor · Post by **The Phat Conductor** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:37 pm

when im mixing from turntables back to ableton i keep the quantize on.

just tag the space bar a few times until you get the cue point close and then beatmatch with an inverted (turntable style) tempo fader.

it's not as hard as all that.

ive been working on this no quant dj thing for a bit and have gotten nowhere. it's a dead end, at least for now...

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 7:52 pm

Beat matching is not a problem. That's the only way I can think of doing it. It'll probably mean looping the first part of the track to be played in Live to get the TT track and the Ableton track in sync, then unloop it and play from the end of the loop. At least then I can keep 'em in sync using the platter on the TT.

Cheers guys - I appreciate the help.

[EDIT: I can't understand why changing from quantise off to quantise 1bar can't pick up the timing from the unquantised track. The warp markers are all there, so it should be doable. Abes! Whut up with that?!?)

doc holiday · Post by **doc holiday** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 8:46 pm

umm..

if you stop live, live will start exactly when you launch the clip regardless of the quantize setting.

Patch · Post by **Patch** » Fri Jul 18, 2008 10:08 pm

Spacebar/shift-spacebar?

Sh1t - that might just work!

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