Is Moog Overrated?

beats me · Post by **beats me** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:29 pm

I'll add some more ignorant silliness to this thread...

I don't even know what the Moog sound is. All I know is I can't write a good Electro House track. Must be cause I don't own a Moog. And all "how do I get this bass sound?" questions can be answered with "Moog".

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:31 pm

^ neither an ignorant nor silly approach to making good music - use the ears, not necessarily a particular tool...

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:46 pm

nebulae wrote:I didn't want to rain on the other thread's parade, but I'm wondering if anyone else thinks Moogs are overrated. Yes, it was a pioneer, and yes it has its place in history in the upper echelons of classic synths. But in modern times, I wonder if Moogs shouldn't be in the same category as 909s and 303s...as in do we really need to keep going back to that sound? Hasn't synthesis come a long way? Aren't there new frontiers for us to explore?

Discuss.

I'm a bit surprised actually, hearing you say this..

I could go into a long discussion here, but I won't..
As a Moog owner I'll ask you; did the piano ever got overrated or obsolete?

It's not about the sound, the status or the history,
it's about what you bang out of the darn thing..

and.. could you please define "modern times" in the context of Moog and music? < haa!
I'll get the popcorn while you try to talk yur way out of that one..
mandatory words for answer: piano, hunderds of years, obsolete..

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:52 pm

Ok I'll talk myself out of it, but first you have to explain why you are surprised about me saying that, and why you could write a long discussion but won't.

Naturally, I'm stalling for time here. And just so you know, I was totally thinking about your Voyager purchase when I wrote this post. so HAA right back atcha MOFO!!!!!

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 8:59 pm

^ Also, Mr. Poster, I'll add to my comments (and kiss your sweet sweet ass a little) by saying that your music is fucking outstanding and doesn't sound "Moog"ish at all. But then, I believe what I've heard is pre-Voyager?

I guess my original rant was more about the fact that if I never heard another Phatty bass again, that would be fine with me...or maybe I'm just bored with the Moog sound that I've heard as of late...

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:02 pm

nebulae wrote:Ok I'll talk myself out of it, but first you have to explain why you are surprised about me saying that,

because I have it on good authority that you have Bob Moog's sawtooth bite mark around yur neck.. and god knows where,.. else..

nebulae wrote:and why you could write a long discussion but won't.

because its an obsolete discussion..

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:03 pm

Poster wrote:
nebulae wrote:Ok I'll talk myself out of it, but first you have to explain why you are surprised about me saying that,
because I have it on good authority that you have Bob Moog's sawtooth bite mark around yur neck.. and god knows where,.. else..

nebulae wrote:and why you could write a long discussion but won't.
because its an obsolete discussion..

yeah, fair enough

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:06 pm

Tone Deft wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVnRzEjpUmE&feature=user <-- MGMT - Time To Pretend
zzzzzzzzzzzzz

I actually really like the synth sound in that song, it may not be the most original sound you've ever heard but it sounds good to my ears.

I don't even hear sounds anymore as dated or not dated, I just plain love sound. to me there is no such thing as an original synth sound anymore as we haven't really broken any ground in the synthesis world in quite some time. the only group I've ever heard that can come up with sounds that baffle me (can't figure out how they did it) is autechre, but then they sometimes write trash with interesting tones. granular synthesis is even a little bit old now. Until we break some new ground on synths we are "doomed" to hear the same sounds forever, which is fine cause it's about the song not the patch. I don't think any accoustic instruments sound played out, some of which we've been using for what like 1000 years? the moog sound is just another sound that I think we can use for another 1000 years, as well as any other synth or instrument.

I've been using my mc-202 alot lately, which isn't ever gonna sound like something new I don't think but I love that sound.

I guess the moral is, just make the sounds you like and don't worry about what other people are doing.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:10 pm

^ another good point from a cat with cool tunez

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:11 pm

another thought I'm having here.

my buddy dusty was playing a set in a basement a while back, the crowd naturally just stood there most of the time cause kids in california don't know what to do when someone has a computer on stage most of the time. then all the sudden he started a 4 on the floor beat and played a 2 note arp style bassline on his moog prodigy and all the sudden everybody in the place was shaking ass. it was actually quite a site to see especially considering the song was going nowhere, oddly enough it sounded awesome and it was amazing to see so many kids erupt into dance over something so simple. it was also strange that his incredibly produced tracks couldn't get the same result.

I blame the moog. it's got incredible ass shakability, which is a good thing.

Poster · Post by **Poster** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:13 pm

nebulae wrote:^ Also, Mr. Poster, I'll add to my comments (and kiss your sweet sweet ass a little) by saying that your music is fucking outstanding and doesn't sound "Moog"ish at all. But then, I believe what I've heard is pre-Voyager?

pretty much pre Voyager yes..
though all very plain jane subtractive, which could've been done very well with the Moog for the mono parts..

nebulae wrote:I guess my original rant was more about the fact that if I never heard another Phatty bass again, that would be fine with me...or maybe I'm just bored with the Moog sound that I've heard as of late...

I hear what you're saying though..
that 'typical' Moog bass.. it can get a bit less surprising maybe.. but if the music is good..
though it can do so much more than basses..

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:18 pm

^ ok between Poster and John, I'm expecting something that will totally blow me away soon. The pressure is on and you two motherfuckers better deliver.

Johnisfaster · Post by **Johnisfaster** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:32 pm

you mean a new track? I just posted one in the nonsense thread, but I don't think it's gonna blow you away or anything.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:35 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:the crowd naturally just stood there most of the time cause kids in california don't know what to do when someone has a computer on stage most of the time.

*cough*Sacramento*cough*

didn't mean to diss MGMT, they've got a solid following and do what they do well, I'm just on the bandwagon of old farts that have heard that stuff before.

still, if not Moog, then which synths are deserving of worship?

I'd be interested in what some of you DJ guys can dig up in terms of classic Moog songs.

I'd comment more but I'm not much of a synth whore compared to you lot.

nebulae · Post by **nebulae** » Thu Jul 17, 2008 9:35 pm

Johnisfaster wrote:you mean a new track? I just posted one in the nonsense thread, but I don't think it's gonna blow you away or anything.

linkage please

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