what do you do when your sick of your tune?

mdk · Post by **mdk** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:13 am

if i get sick of something im doing i delete it and move on.

no point filling up my hard drive with crap.

abort · Post by **abort** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:45 am

3dot... wrote:

Well I'm not going to go that far. Shotgun head on a Tuesday night!

God I remember that day like yesterday.

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 7:20 am

sick of it = lame song

Ok, so, tuck it away on a hard drive, don't listen to it for at least 6 months.

If you forget about it, fine. If yer still sick of it, it sucks even worse than you thought.

Ever have that; "what was I thinking" moment with yer own stuff?

Gyu · Post by **Gyu** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:24 am

knotkranky wrote:sick of it = lame song

I don't agree, I think it's quite easy to completely lose perspective on a good track and think it's rubbish.
If you get sick of it quickly then I guess it is lame.

mdk · Post by **mdk** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:31 am

im with mr kranky on this one, if i think its rubbish at some point then i'll think its rubbish at another point, sure there might be some bits and pieces that can be salvaged as loops or sounds for other songs but if i ever think i dont like it. DELETE. theres no time to waste on something that 'might be ok'.

No compromise.

No remorse.

Gyu · Post by **Gyu** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:33 am

Angstrom wrote: simpler to play the track really:
http://www.last.fm/music/Angstrom/_/Mak ... ?autostart

Wicked tune!
Where can I buy it?

knotkranky · Post by **knotkranky** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 8:59 am

mdk wrote:im with mr kranky on this one, if i think its rubbish at some point then i'll think its rubbish at another point, sure there might be some bits and pieces that can be salvaged as loops or sounds for other songs but if i ever think i dont like it. DELETE. theres no time to waste on something that 'might be ok'.

No compromise.

No remorse.

Right. Most need clean breaks between tunes. Sure there are exceptions, but generally a clean slate or a new canvas makes for more and better tunes. Ya gotta be careful on what you keep, but it's best to be brave in deleting. Like i said earlier, tuck it away for a long time and you'll know later. But, If you keep prisoners, you've got to feed them too. Just break it off and top yourself with something totally different and know that you can. Shit, I just realized I haven't written a tune in over a year. Never mind

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:09 am

If I carve a sculpture that in the end I think is crap, but somebody pays $1000 for it because they like it, is it still crap?

If I write a song that I think is corny, yet when I sing it people cry, is it still corny?

If I design a yacht, and I hate it and think it is crap, yet someone forks out a six figure sum for me to build it, is it still crap?

If I design a yacht that in the end I hate the look of and think is crap, yet it wins the largest ocean race in division in the southern hemisphere, is it still crap?

You guys are so far fuckin up yourselves that you can't see beyond the end of your noses. Grow up.

Sometimes your own opinion is irrelevant. Just finish the fuckers and move on.

If you are not careful, your personal view of your work will loose you opportunities that you never thought possible. Learn to manage your perspective of your craft, just because you don't like it dosen't mean someone else won't.

mdk · Post by **mdk** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 10:35 am

gjm wrote:If I carve a sculpture that in the end I think is crap, but somebody pays $1000 for it because they like it, is it still crap?

its a matter of taste, if you made it for the money then the job's done. i dont make music for money.

If I write a song that I think is corny, yet when I sing it people cry, is it still corny?

yep, and the people who cry are corny too.

If I design a yacht, and I hate it and think it is crap, yet someone forks out a six figure sum for me to build it, is it still crap?

same as the sculpture.

If I design a yacht that in the end I hate the look of and think is crap, yet it wins the largest ocean race in division in the southern hemisphere, is it still crap?

apples and oranges, aesthetics vs. ability to win a race

which is the crux of all your arguments, on one side there is personal taste and on the other is either money, winning a race or the possibility of people crying.

You guys are so far fuckin up yourselves that you can't see beyond the end of your noses. Grow up.

No, you grow up.

If you are not careful, your personal view of your work will loose you opportunities that you never thought possible. Learn to manage your perspective of your craft, just because you don't like it dosen't mean someone else won't.

another opporunity to not be true to yourself? wicked.

im not suggesting that what works for me is what works for everyone, if you're happy turning out shit in the vague hope that other people like it then more power to your elbow.

i released one song that i didnt like (although other people did at the time) and its the only thing i regret putting out. its like an indelible stain.

for all the other stuff I've released I still like it (even over 10 years later) and thats the only music that other people tell me they like as well, some that even didnt like it at first.

for me no compromise is the only way, i have one life and i represent myself. if people want to cry over some corny tune then you or someone else can write it, maybe the person who writes it might even like it themselves.

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:02 am

mdk wrote:another opporunity to not be true to yourself? wicked.

im not suggesting that what works for me is what works for everyone, if you're happy turning out shit in the vague hope that other people like it then more power to your elbow.

i released one song that i didnt like (although other people did at the time) and its the only thing i regret putting out. its like an indelible stain.

for all the other stuff I've released I still like it (even over 10 years later) and thats the only music that other people tell me they like as well, some that even didnt like it at first.

for me no compromise is the only way, i have one life and i represent myself. if people want to cry over some corny tune then you or someone else can write it, maybe the person who writes it might even like it themselves.

Your a legend..........in your own mind

FFS, its all a balance man. So you are the only one who decides when the world is ready for you??

So many people live their lives like its their own, and never learn to give of themselves, for all sorts of reasons. They think they are too precious. They loose sight of the fact that its all a journey. I am horrified at some of the stuff I have done. It was right for the moment, right for someone else, but I had to move on. Some of it was a mistake. So fucking what. Toughen up you wimp.

for me no compromise is the only way, i have one life and i represent myself.

Same. Whats your point? Has no bearing on using your skills and talents to bring your ideas to fruition. The problem for most creative types is that they have a great idea, start all gung ho, but finish in their heads before they finish in the flesh. They end up then picking their art apart, too early and then decide its not worth finishing. That's where they loose out on the whole experience. They never get to see or hear their stuff from someone else s point of view.

Learn to move past the glass ceilings in your head that stop you from going further than you ever thought possible.

mdk · Post by **mdk** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:12 am

gjm wrote:Your a legend..........in your own mind

you got that right

Learn to move past the glass ceilings in your head that stop you from going further than you ever thought possible.

as we both know what works for some doesnt work for others. if you're struggling to make tunes and are prone to moments of doubt then deleting them probably isnt the right solution.

the problem for me is i have too many, so i have to delete the ones that fall below whatever my threshold is or I wont have time for the ones i do like.

then when the rare moment comes around for making a cd or record i let the people who run the label listen to them all and decide what they want. then we're all happy, they get songs they like and i know i like them all, it might not be my favourites but i'll never think they made a bad choice

gjm · Post by **gjm** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:20 am

mdk wrote:
gjm wrote:Your a legend..........in your own mind
you got that right

Learn to move past the glass ceilings in your head that stop you from going further than you ever thought possible.
as we both know what works for some doesnt work for others. if you're struggling to make tunes and are prone to moments of doubt then deleting them probably isnt the right solution.

the problem for me is i have too many, so i have to delete the ones that fall below whatever my threshold is or I wont have time for the ones i do like.

then when the rare moment comes around for making a cd or record i let the people who run the label listen to them all and decide what they want. then we're all happy, they get songs they like and i know i like them all, it might not be my favourites but i'll never think they made a bad choice

I LOVE YOU Don't mind me, I just spitting tacks right now. Glad to talk with you, cool to see that you are organized and on to it.

Where can I listen to your stuff? Got a myspace?

Cheers. G.

[edit]
Damn...just saw your sig...will check it out.

mdk · Post by **mdk** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:38 am

probably not much music on my site, only stuff there of worth is the plogue bidule tutorials.

you can hear a few things here :

http://www.myspace.com/relivethefuture

http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY015_DM
http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY008_DM

and on these compilations :

http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY011_DM
http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... FAT041D_DM

oh yeah, i almost forgot. i love you too.

its good to be challenged and made to actually think about your opinions.

what about you? you got any music anywhere i can check out?

Landser · Post by **Landser** » Sun Jul 20, 2008 11:57 am

Learn to differntiate between the "creative part" and the production process.
The first part is about your preferences and what you like, the other part is more about objective and neutral judgement.