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Post by abort » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:26 pm

mdk wrote:probably not much music on my site, only stuff there of worth is the plogue bidule tutorials.

you can hear a few things here :

http://www.myspace.com/relivethefuture

http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY015_DM
http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY008_DM

and on these compilations :

http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY011_DM
http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... FAT041D_DM

oh yeah, i almost forgot. i love you too.

its good to be challenged and made to actually think about your opinions.

what about you? you got any music anywhere i can check out?
I liked Vreme the best... Like life just spun out of control. ..I wanted more at the end of it though I can't place what. ..legendary sounds man!

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Post by mdk » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:35 pm

abort wrote:I liked Vreme the best... Like life just spun out of control. ..I wanted more at the end of it though I can't place what. ..legendary sounds man!
thanks, much appreciated. to repay the compliment you can download decent quality mp3's of the ep here

http://relivethefuture.com/music/mdk/weme-08.rar

:)
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Post by Angstrom » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:40 pm

Gyu wrote:
Angstrom wrote: simpler to play the track really:
http://www.last.fm/music/Angstrom/_/Mak ... ?autostart
Wicked tune!
Where can I buy it?
I'm sticking it on iTunes/amazon at some point soon, along with my other stuff, and then take its own sweet time to percolate through the system

But I'm tiling a kitchen this weekend, so it will probably get put up there a little later in the week

Thanks for asking

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Post by abort » Sun Jul 20, 2008 12:44 pm

===Got it. Thank you vary much===

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Post by sxezskoz » Sun Jul 20, 2008 1:06 pm

a track that i overproduced and fell out of love with ended up being perfect for a short film that i was recently assigned to do music for. everything has its place. just be true. life is good. i'm in love. hold me.
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Post by ciw » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:34 pm

Just had a thought from reading this thread. In one of my other lives I'm a rock climber. I have recently come to realise what a large role psychology plays in climbing ability. I even wrote an article on it...

http://climbing.tropic.org.uk/index.php ... f_the_Mind

I wonder if (along the same lines as the above) we can come up with mental tricks to use to help our producing processes...? :idea: post tips up here if you have any!

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Post by landrvr1 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 3:36 pm

Yikes.

I prefer the Peter Gabriel method of looking at all the stuff I write and put down as 'sketches'. He's got mountains of ideas he'll lay down, most of which gather dust for years.

The thing is, he's got a good memory of all these relics, and loves to pull various bits out of them when working on something 'new'.

There's a lesson there. While a piece in it's entirety may be crap or junk or unfinished or whatever, oftentimes there's bits and pieces within each that are golden, and can be recycled.

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Post by knotkranky » Sun Jul 20, 2008 5:02 pm

^^ He's a perfect example of keeping too much stuff. Yeah, you have to have a great memory, you have to know where it all is, you have to be able to keep old things out of your head while you do new things. I love the guy and all i care is that his stuff is good but Peter gabriel is one of the slowest music makers around because he keep too many prisoners. His work flow is extremely pedantic and sterile. "But"... he gets it together eventually. I'm just saying that if ya wanna make a dent in the biz ya can't move like a obsessive grammy winning millionaire. Not the dude to look at for production inspiration. < IMHO


The lesson is to check yourself. The more you keep old, the less room you'll have for new. Everybody has a different balance in that regard and everybody has a different idea of what prolific is.

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Post by landrvr1 » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:02 pm

knotkranky wrote:^^ He's a perfect example of keeping too much stuff. Yeah, you have to have a great memory, you have to know where it all is, you have to be able to keep old things out of your head while you do new things. I love the guy and all i care is that his stuff is good but Peter gabriel is one of the slowest music makers around because he keep too many prisoners. His work flow is extremely pedantic and sterile. "But"... he gets it together eventually. I'm just saying that if ya wanna make a dent in the biz ya can't move like a obsessive grammy winning millionaire. Not the dude to look at for production inspiration. < IMHO


The lesson is to check yourself. The more you keep old, the less room you'll have for new. Everybody has a different balance in that regard and everybody has a different idea of what prolific is.

LOL, partially agreed in terms of workflow. I was targeting the notion of possible jem moments with songs that you've abandoned. One thinks they are crap now, but that's because your sour on the whole experience and piece. Listen a bit later. There could be nuggets worth salvaging.

For Gabriel, it works. I could give a shit about whether or not he's cranking out albums left and right. He's quite happy to make music his way, then release a beautiful fucking record when he's good and ready. It would be great to get more out of him, but I'd rather respect his pace than suffer through undercooked rubbish.

In my view, a helluva lot of artists would do well to follow Gabriel's model a bit more. Talk about checking one's self. Jesus Christ. Here's a newsflash for a lot of artists today:

Not everything you do is fucking God-Like Amazing. Sorry.

Also, Gabriel is as much a victim of his other interests and passions as he is about his turtle-like creation process. It's hard to focus when you're out saving the world, trying to re-invent music distribution and creation, and constantly fielding questions about a possible Genesis reunion. :lol:

In fact, the most common problem is the exact OPPOSITE of this thread's topic. Too many assholes think that every note they play and song they record is a fucking masterpiece. Their very shit should be bronzed, they are so creative!

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Post by knotkranky » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:16 pm

landrvr1 wrote:
knotkranky wrote:^^ He's a perfect example of keeping too much stuff. Yeah, you have to have a great memory, you have to know where it all is, you have to be able to keep old things out of your head while you do new things. I love the guy and all i care is that his stuff is good but Peter gabriel is one of the slowest music makers around because he keep too many prisoners. His work flow is extremely pedantic and sterile. "But"... he gets it together eventually. I'm just saying that if ya wanna make a dent in the biz ya can't move like a obsessive grammy winning millionaire. Not the dude to look at for production inspiration. < IMHO


The lesson is to check yourself. The more you keep old, the less room you'll have for new. Everybody has a different balance in that regard and everybody has a different idea of what prolific is.

LOL, partially agreed in terms of workflow. I was targeting the notion of possible jem moments with songs that you've abandoned. One thinks they are crap now, but that's because your sour on the whole experience and piece. Listen a bit later. There could be nuggets worth salvaging.

For Gabriel, it works. I could give a shit about whether or not he's cranking out albums left and right. He's quite happy to make music his way, then release a beautiful fucking record when he's good and ready. It would be great to get more out of him, but I'd rather respect his pace than suffer through undercooked rubbish.

In my view, a helluva lot of artists would do well to follow Gabriel's model a bit more. Talk about checking one's self. Jesus Christ. Here's a newsflash for a lot of artists today:

Not everything you do is fucking God-Like Amazing. Sorry.

Also, Gabriel is as much a victim of his other interests and passions as he is about his turtle-like creation process. It's hard to focus when you're out saving the world, trying to re-invent music distribution and creation, and constantly fielding questions about a possible Genesis reunion. :lol:

In fact, the most common problem is the exact OPPOSITE of this thread's topic. Too many assholes think that every note they play and song they record is a fucking masterpiece. Their very shit should be bronzed, they are so creative!

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Likewise, In agreement too. Where talking about the best way to prepare eggs. If anything i've given you my personal, though neglected work flow. I'm so slash and burn but i get more happy accidents that way. I do have some pieces tucked away that need more time and I'm very good at finishing but it's like pulling teeth. I have to push myself to speed up and out of bronzing since It's an exponential slow-down as I reach the "it is most definitely done" "I think" finale...

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Post by gjm » Sun Jul 20, 2008 6:17 pm

mdk wrote:probably not much music on my site, only stuff there of worth is the plogue bidule tutorials.

you can hear a few things here :

http://www.myspace.com/relivethefuture

http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY015_DM
http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY008_DM

and on these compilations :

http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... =SPY011_DM
http://www.bleep.com/current_item.php?s ... FAT041D_DM

oh yeah, i almost forgot. i love you too.

its good to be challenged and made to actually think about your opinions.

what about you? you got any music anywhere i can check out?
Thanks for the links. I will check them out later today...

I have no music accessible via the internet, sorry. I only got into this home recording lark late last year. Its strictly hobby territory for now.

And as for my opinions :roll: I'm actually sick of reading them.

I am going on a diet. NO MORE OPINIONS. Only questions and compliments.

Cheers. Greg.
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Post by landrvr1 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:15 pm

Angstrom wrote:
landrvr1 wrote:
Angstrom wrote: I have spent 2 months getting just the right bass sound after deciding what a track needed.
Now THAT is art.
Or Madness.
Probably both.
That better be one motherfucking amazing bass sound.
Let's hope it's not just another of the 456,968 Justice bass clones......
8O
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heh,
OK, so it was over a two month period, not 8 hours a day for 2 months
It's not that the bass sound is amazing - it's just that the sound I had for the first section didn't work at all on smaller speakers - which made the track a non-song on a poxy iPod stereo setup or similar, for me that's a fail.

So I had to find a bass that sounded 'sub' on larger speakers, but cut through OK on a small speaker without having so much top end that it interfered with everything else and make it sound shite and fizzy on a large system , even worse : it needed to work for the second section of the song which is totally different kind of bassline ... .I tried a few strategies and lots failed.

simpler to play the track really:
http://www.last.fm/music/Angstrom/_/Mak ... ?autostart

all that work and it sounds like nothing spectacular at all !
but it's exactly the way I wanted it.

Shit, that is an excellent tune. The rhythm/drum pattern is killer - funky jazzy noodling. Sweet. I love how varied the track is...it's not relentless. It takes you up and down and all around.

Listening to all of Music Form My Wavelength right now. Tuolmo is excellent.

Did I read when you play out it's just you?

Damn.

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Post by Angstrom » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:33 pm

thanks, :)

yeah - when I play it's just me, so songs like that one are a bit of a trial to include. So far I haven't found a satisfactory way to make it work with just me.
I tried a few methods, but I think some tracks are just wrong for one guy to recreate live. This track seems to be one of them - so far.

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Post by landrvr1 » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:40 pm

Angstrom wrote:thanks, :)

yeah - when I play it's just me, so songs like that one are a bit of a trial to include. So far I haven't found a satisfactory way to make it work with just me.
I tried a few methods, but I think some tracks are just wrong for one guy to recreate live. This track seems to be one of them - so far.

Ahh. Do you show up and do any kind of all improve? Or are your sets planned in advance.

As I was listening to Tuolmo I thought of how excellent it would be to hear that live, with a real trumpet player doing the synth lead bit. NOT that I'm suggesting that it needs that by any means! In fact, it seems as though many of your tracks would lend themselves to an electronic and acoustic hybrid on stage.

So what's the deal, is your stuff for sale? I'd totally like to show my support and pick up MFMW.


Oh, and the bass line WAS perfect....lol


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Post by spkey » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:48 pm

I think you probably spent too much time on it. I usually do not work on the fundamental ideas more than a couple or three days maximum. I just record the ideas and spend the rest of the time on arranging and mixing. Try to keep it simple.

As other users suggested, take a good break. A few weeks is ideal, start a new idea. Alternatively mute a few channels and forget them :)

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