Trent Reznor still blows hard on the trumpet of suck.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:00 am

hangar17 wrote:something extreme? = merzbow

True, I saw him play about 15 years ago. You had to crawl through a cloth tunnel he made to get into the show, and you came out on stage facing the audience with Merzbow playing maybe 3 feet from you, playing a wall of sound with MASSIVE speakers. They thanked everybody who showed up at the door as you left. Pretty clever!

hangar17 · Post by **hangar17** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 7:47 am

Machinesworking wrote:
hangar17 wrote:something extreme? = merzbow
True, I saw him play about 15 years ago. You had to crawl through a cloth tunnel he made to get into the show, and you came out on stage facing the audience with Merzbow playing maybe 3 feet from you, playing a wall of sound with MASSIVE speakers. They thanked everybody who showed up at the door as you left. Pretty clever!

and with technology today the mind boggles what he might come up with these days when he does it live.
does he still play live?

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 8:39 am

hangar17 wrote:
Machinesworking wrote:
hangar17 wrote:something extreme? = merzbow
True, I saw him play about 15 years ago. You had to crawl through a cloth tunnel he made to get into the show, and you came out on stage facing the audience with Merzbow playing maybe 3 feet from you, playing a wall of sound with MASSIVE speakers. They thanked everybody who showed up at the door as you left. Pretty clever!
and with technology today the mind boggles what he might come up with these days when he does it live.
does he still play live?

Not sure how advanced the technology really is in music compared? Sure everything is easier now, but it's not like a new form of chorus or distortion has come out.... or new colors, the palette is just more affordable.

landrvr1 · Post by **landrvr1** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 1:29 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
landrvr1 wrote: 5. Fripp & Eno: Beyond Even

A side note: Most of you no talent motherfuckers around here are simply not worthy to listen to #5, so don't even bother. You won't understand it.
Fuck you, that's the only decent album you mentioned.

Well, fuck. 1 out of 5 ain't bad, I suppose. Given how varied everyone's taste seems to be... I mean, I would have been happy if you'd said that about any of the choices, but the fact that you zeroed in on that particular album says there's at least a spark of life in that grey matter between your ears.

Actually, I'm not sure how many people have even heard of Jon Hassell around here; much less actually listened to any of his stuff. He's right up there in terms of ambient/world/electronic hybrid pioneers. His Fourth World Vol 1 with Eno is groundbreaking.

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friend_kami · Post by **friend_kami** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 2:53 pm

b0unce wrote: the difference is I'm not marketable

well, there you have it.

Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:12 pm

landrvr1 wrote: Actually, I'm not sure how many people have even heard of Jon Hassell around here; much less actually listened to any of his stuff. He's right up there in terms of ambient/world/electronic hybrid pioneers. His Fourth World Vol 1 with Eno is groundbreaking.

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Don't remember liking his solo work, not looking at my music collection right now, but if that's the one with the cover that's an infra red shot of the earths surface then, yeah, I own that one. My favorite ambient recording by Eno by far. If you like that record, you should like Popul Vuh, the group that did most of Werner Hertzohgs soundtracks.

landrvr1 · Post by **landrvr1** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 3:27 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
landrvr1 wrote: Actually, I'm not sure how many people have even heard of Jon Hassell around here; much less actually listened to any of his stuff. He's right up there in terms of ambient/world/electronic hybrid pioneers. His Fourth World Vol 1 with Eno is groundbreaking.

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Don't remember liking his solo work, not looking at my music collection right now, but if that's the one with the cover that's an infra red shot of the earths surface then, yeah, I own that one. My favorite ambient recording by Eno by far. If you like that record, you should like Popul Vuh, the group that did most of Werner Hertzohgs soundtracks.

Herzog!!!!!!

God MW, let's get married. Don't worry, I'll be the bottom.

Good call on the Popul Vuh, lol. I actually don't own anything from them; but I think I've got a couple of their tunes on a compilation tape. And I call myself a fan of ambient. Shameful, shameful. I do own several recordings by the Godfather of ambient, Erik Satie, so I can't hang my head in total shame.

Do you recommend a good Popul Vuh to start out with?

Herzog, lol. Have you seen My Best Fiend: Klaus Kinski? Madness.

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Machinesworking · Post by **Machinesworking** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 4:38 pm

landrvr1 wrote: Good call on the Popul Vuh, lol. I actually don't own anything from them; but I think I've got a couple of their tunes on a compilation tape. And I call myself a fan of ambient. Shameful, shameful. I do own several recordings by the Godfather of ambient, Erik Satie, so I can't hang my head in total shame.

Do you recommend a good Popul Vuh to start out with?

Personal favorite is the soundtrack to Nosferatu, but basically all their stuff is good, and all the soundtrack scores. Not sure if I'd call them ambient, more like cinematic krautrock.

Yeah that's the Hassel Eno one, great record.

funknotik · Post by **funknotik** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:38 pm

Machinesworking wrote:
funknotik wrote:[As for why Trent Reznor is a big deal, I would say the innovation of coming up with that sound.
Honestly, the ignorance in that one sentence is one of the main reasons NIN are annoying now. when I was a kid, and he first came out, it was because he took great ideas from groups I loved and watered it down into mainstream pop music. Now it's because people like you who have no clue about industrial music think Trent invented his sound in a vacuum, that he did anything at all original, and yeah, I'm talking about Pretty Hate Machine.

Honestly I wouldn't have been as disappointed in his goth boy singing if he actually sang lyrics that weren't 90% loves lost sorrow pop songs. All other industrial at that time had an asthetic of avoiding cliches like writing a ton of songs about romance etc. Trent, because he was basically a new wave kid, (see http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJYBx5NJULY ) didn't. So if you can say he did one thing to innovate, it was that he did more than anybody else to water down industrial, and make it mainstream..... blah.

In the spirit of an earlier post about coming up with alternatives etc. here's Cabaret Voltaire from maybe 1978-80, ten years before NIN. Even Trent would agree he owes his left nut to these guys. Them and Throbbing Gristle came up with Industrial music and the sound, there's really no arguing that.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gllp8gvwSI8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N-IixtxK ... re=related
This is just early stuff, listen to others by them and you can hear early NIN all over the place. They started playing together in 1974.

Basically Trent took a sound that was dark and disturbing, and made it whiney. I wouldn't care, but in every interview he knocks some other group, which I find hilarious considering his initial success was based on aping other groups, and diluting their sound through a pop aesthetic.

The industrial groups you are referring too all suck. Low testosterone levels....

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:43 pm

^ pretty much

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:47 pm

cab voltaire and TG suck? and nin is an innovation?

are we in some sort of bizzarro universe?

.lm.

leisuremuffin · Post by **leisuremuffin** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:50 pm

best popul vuh record:

In den Gärten Pharaos

esp. the song "vuh"

and also the record before it, Affenstunde.

i don't really like any of the other popul vuh records, but that's just me.

.lm.

Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:51 pm

it's the negative air pressure they apply to my cock. I could never really get into them.

regarding innovation, no doubt NIN are followers.

it's musical tastes, can't argue that.

landrvr1 · Post by **landrvr1** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 5:53 pm

Trent Reznor approached Al Jourgensen in 1988 and asked if he could have his love child. Al ripped his head off, shit down his throat, then sewed the head back on. Nine months later, Trent gave birth to their butt baby and called it NIN.

The beauty of child birth.

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Tone Deft · Post by **Tone Deft** » Tue Jul 22, 2008 6:09 pm

what? have you listened to these bands?

Al's an even bigger sellout with worse albums and less innovation. Psalm 69 helped kick off Nu Metal but his last 6-7 albums are all pretty much the same forgettable chugga chugga cookie monster routine, track after track (but I like that.)

he just keeps his drunken ego in check and his mouth shut.

IMO Ministry >> NIN but that's my personal taste.

Trent Reznor still blows hard on the trumpet of suck.

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