Trent Reznor still blows hard on the trumpet of suck.

[mdk]

SPK are great, not so much a fan of the metal dance stuff but this is fucking amazing :

http://youtube.com/watch?v=PSCPL0e7498

and what a suprise, there's already a NIN related argument in the comments

[abort]

24 year old video of a 28 year old industrial song. Live, and recorded on a budget, but anybody who thinks this is light music is basically lying. http://youtube.com/watch?v=bTxWVtvi5P8

Part two was disturbing but reminds me somewhat like skinny puppy

You know there friend is having trembles right now ..to bad. I think you said that you like them?

I'm sure the guys in Skinny Puppy were fans, SPKs early recording were disturbing. Their 'ambient' stuff is freaky as hell, bad acid trip freaky.

Who's having trembles??

I meant to say troubles, the fx tec is out with a massive back injury.

[b0unce]

i like trent reznor

kill self.

I buy his albums when they come out - just to see what he's been doing.. He's got a great ear and has a great level of perfectionism in his sounds... thats what i like most about NIN - the sounds he gets..

That said, the 'music' is a little so so nowadays.. I think he'd make a great producer.

he'd make a terrible producer.
Heard Niggy Tarshite ?

Some people have great lyrics and the ability to push the limits sonically but I can't think of anyone doing it these days.

You fail at listening to good music.
Kill self.

What else do you think it takes to become famous? Work; so start doing some.

it takes a floppy emo haircut, with floppy emo rhetoric coming out of the wearers poncey face, a kind of pseudo-edgey androgynous wardrobe, lots of MTV exposure, BEEF with Limp Dickzit (the poster boys for another MTV demograph of cabbages), and of course tonnes of teeny bopper 'why-haven't-my-balls-dropped-yet' angst.

Naturally once you've got all that Interscope will tug your plumbs for years to come.

the downward spiral

agreed.
He definitely should have OD'd shortly after that, perhaps on stage. At least before the fragile was released. I'm pretty sure The Fragile might be interesting if it was a posthumous LP.

ask yourself: Do I like this music? Yes or no? Why or why not?
If the answer is no, and your reasons have nothing to do with the music, then shut the fuck up. STFU. Let me spell it out for you: SHUT THE FUCK UP.

Are you dense ?
It's all about the music baby, first and foremost NIN music has been flat and toothless and shit for ages. His poncing about in the media is just a by-product of his SUCK.

Actually, NIN, Daft Punk, and BT's music isn't shit - you just think it's shit. That's your opinion and that's fine. They all, however, write excellent music whether you like it or not.

Nobody has the right, aside from the artist who wrote it, to say that one type of music or one band are shit. You can however, express that you feel their music isn't up to much.

this band is shit = this band isn't up to much
So wtf are you talking about ?
BTW NIN and BT both make shit music. Undeniable fact. Daft Punk are still given the benefit of the doubt for that one goodish album they made, Homework, However if they put out another poppers-bombshell like Discovery they'll suck harder than Kylie Minogue (die bitch)

Everything he did up until and including Downward Spiral I love (and the related remix albums). Everything afterwards has been, imo, a tragic embarrassing-to-listen-to waste.

Yes.
Straight from the sensible horse's mouth.

Townes Van Zandt

Yes.

Hurt, good song. Played better by Johnny cash, produced amazingly by Rick Rubin. But still written by Trent. Industrial music isnt my cup of tea but a good song is a good song.

A good song from 'The Downward Spiral'. Who would have known the album title was a literal reference to his musical output from that point on.

I really liked year zero and and the new idea's that were apart of it. Actually speaking up about more worldly things was a good change ..and I hope that his next one will be different all together.

I never will post about a band tobe debated unless their New!

Year Zero sucked, which means you suck.

As for why Trent Reznor is a big deal, I would say the innovation of coming up with that sound. When Linkin Park or any of these teeny bopper bands try to do the same it sounds like shit, they are just weak in comparison. So it's his sound, his contribution and no one can hold a candle too it. He was using early Reaktor when it was a piece of shit, experimenting with alot of sound design when it wasn't very common place.

he's famous because he's an airbrushed ponce on MTV and simpletons like you find him edgey and aware of what it's like for you as a disenfranchised genius who counts the hairs on his nutsack and who's mom won't let you borrow the car to go to the big game.

As for why Trent Reznor is a big deal, I would say the innovation of coming up with that sound.

Honestly, the ignorance in that one sentence is one of the main reasons NIN are annoying now. when I was a kid, and he first came out, it was because he took great ideas from groups I loved and watered it down into mainstream pop music. Now it's because people like you who have no clue about industrial music think Trent invented his sound in a vacuum, that he did anything at all original, and yeah, I'm talking about Pretty Hate Machine.

yes.

Also, just a real obvious reason why Trent deserves to be a target of derision, he constantly rants against groups he doesn't like etc. himself, it's just stupid IMO.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckfuNG-a ... re=related

Ugh. I actually remember that kind of shit.
Plus that whole thing reeks of a set-up anyways. Like wrestling drama, or rappers-beef. Both fucking ACTS reap in the dough. And they're on the same label. they're both money whores. and they're both MTV darlings. and between them both they corner a nice big chunk of the money haemoraging angsty-teen demograph. Leave it to Destiny's Child to mop up the rest. Or whoever was on mop up duty at the time.

cab voltaire and TG suck? and nin is an innovation?


are we in some sort of bizzarro universe?

Thankfully not. The people who suggested that are full of the wrongness.

any way

trent talking about ATR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CaQ75tXW_eY

Fuck I am so glad he couldn't figure out how to use their sound. He hems and haws, but admits he tried to 'extract' what was interesting to him from their music.

At least there's one group he's not panning in an interview though. My BIGGEST gripe with him is that he almost never talks about groups he's fond of, it's always groups he doesn't like etc. makes him look insecure.

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When I see an idiot like Fred Durst [of Limp Bizkit] spouting off about, 'I'm in it for the money, buy my record, buy two copies of it, I'm going to be the best business man, I'm just doing this till I get into movies' -- [he should] sell dish-washing liquid or something. It's damaged music. I don't mean him personally, but this climate has created a very unhealthy situation to spawn new creative acts." Trent Reznor

How can you be against that? Limp Bizkit fucking sucks,,

Because it's just empty-drama to sell (nin/limp) records to the impressionable douches tuning into MTV.

All this talk made me realize how much you rock NIN ..and how much you could kill.

I rest my case

so after all that talk no one has yet managed to make a convincing argument that Trent is anything but two-ends of a cunt. Awesome.

[landrvr1]

24 year old video of a 28 year old industrial song. Live, and recorded on a budget, but anybody who thinks this is light music is basically lying. http://youtube.com/watch?v=bTxWVtvi5P8

Ahh, great fucking vid.

SPK IS industrial music. It's an oscillating, high-pass hell with magnetics and Jack Boots.

Throw in a beat, and you're in pop land. Throw in a fucking singer, and you're New Order.

Listen to the later SPK for confirmation.




This is one of those threads in which guys will eventually start whipping out their cocks and screaming "No, mine IS bigger, motherfucker." Which is exactly what b0unce was hoping for..... *slurp tug slurp gag slurp burp swallow Mmmm*


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[b0unce]

In which case you had your pants down first...


anyways, the real reason I start these 'fuck trent' threads is I hope he happens to read it on an off-day and subsequently kill himself.

[logic_user99]

This is one of those threads in which guys will eventually start whipping out their cocks and screaming "No, mine IS bigger, motherfucker." Which is exactly what b0unce was hoping for..... *slurp tug slurp gag slurp burp swallow Mmmm*

...

It does seem like it might turn into some kind of circle jerk... I guess b0unce prefers to expend his energy on an 'I don't like this band' thread, rather than actually try and write something that would better said band.

[b0unce]

I've got about 5 posts in here
landscab has easily wasted more energy on this thread than me, you too probably

[landrvr1]

In which case you had your pants down first...


anyways, the real reason I start these 'fuck trent' threads is I hope he happens to read it on an off-day and subsequently kill himself.

*tug tug*



I told you before....you may kiss the head of my penis, but the second you try and stick your pinky up my shitpipe, we're done.



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[landrvr1]

I've got about 5 posts in here
landscab has easily wasted more energy on this thread than me, you too probably

I don't know what they fuck you're on about. I've already gotten 2 dates out of this thread.



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[b0unce]

I told you before....you may kiss the head of my penis, but the second you try and stick your pinky up my shitpipe, we're done.

Nice fantasy you got going for yourself there.

Does the wifey know you engage in homo-erotic role playing while you're glued to your computer ?

[landrvr1]

I told you before....you may kiss the head of my penis, but the second you try and stick your pinky up my shitpipe, we're done.

Nice fantasy you got going for yourself there.

Does the wifey know you engage in homo-erotic role playing while you're glued to your computer ?

She holds the camcorder.


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[funknotik]

I wonder sometimes how much music theory or serious musical knowledge people have on this forum. If you have a reasonably high level of music theory knowledge and you play an instrument like guitar, bass, piano whatever you can appreciate different styles of music more easily. NIN is really basic in terms of theory application, it's all power chords on guitar and minor scales. Some exotic scales pop up here and there but nothing too crazy. Timing is usually 4/4 accept in some songs like march of the pigs where you have that 7/8 then 4/4 timing. Nothing really mind blowing but it produces a pleasant dissonance that is difficult to achieve when your trying to over complicate things. Im a second year music student and I find the more I learn in terms of composition and theory the more I enjoy simplicity. I don't want Ynwgie Malmsteen type virtuosity on every fucking track, soloing out and shit. Anyway just wanted to lend some credibility to my argument on NIN. Thank you bitch, suck it dry..

[Machinesworking]

I wonder sometimes how much music theory or serious musical knowledge people have on this forum. If you have a reasonably high level of music theory knowledge and you play an instrument like guitar, bass, piano whatever you can appreciate different styles of music more easily. NIN is really basic in terms of theory application, it's all power chords on guitar and minor scales. Some exotic scales pop up here and there but nothing too crazy. Timing is usually 4/4 accept in some songs like march of the pigs where you have that 7/8 then 4/4 timing. Nothing really mind blowing but it produces a pleasant dissonance that is difficult to achieve when your trying to over complicate things. Im a second year music student and I find the more I learn in terms of composition and theory the more I enjoy simplicity. I don't want Ynwgie Malmsteen type virtuosity on every fucking track, soloing out and shit. Anyway just wanted to lend some credibility to my argument on NIN. Thank you bitch, suck it dry..

Your arguments aren't even making any sense now.

Your argument invalidates itself. What I get from this is, You like rock music, anything outside of that is too strange for your fragile, sensitive, musically trained ears. You can handle it if it's a traditional musical element like 7/4 timing etc. and stays within the boundaries of pop music, but if it's not rock, then it lacks "testosterone", your lack of ability to challenge yourself on what music is, is a great argument against early music training.

The most valid reason to like NIN is because you like "edgy" pop, and the production level is high. The rest is trying to justify those two reasons with BS.

[Machinesworking]

...but I realize I'm arguing music with most probably a 20 year old white guy who's moniker is funktronic.

[Tone Deft]

meh, he's a 2nd year music student who has this stuff on his mind most of the time, I doubt he was sober when he wrote that, it doesn't say much. mind you, he's only a second year student and he's asking if people know theory (IMO he doesn't know much theory, he's only 2nd year, get it?)

then again he did post about Tool like we've never heard of them before.



this stuff is MW's musical forte', pretty funny watching people argue with him about it.

MW - I'd like to read some recommendations of bands circa the Pretty Hate Machine era that pwn NIN, just for old time's sake, that was my scene back in the day.


edit - I kinda slammed Ministry for selling out, in reality they did more than kick off nu metal, bands like Pigface, 1,000 Homo DJs, RevCo and Lard was some of the more interesting music from that time. NIN has done little to nothing along those lines.